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Given the testimonies that are coming in, I believe that Loughner was suffering from psychosis induced by the New Age practice of "Conscious Dreaming."

Mr. Gutierrez said his friend had become obsessed with the meaning of dreams and their importance. He talked about reading Friedrich Nietzsche’s book “The Will To Power” and embraced ideas about the corrosive, destructive effects of nihilism — a belief in nothing. And every day, his friend said, Mr. Loughner would get up and write in his dream journal, recording the world he experienced in sleep and its possible meanings.

“Jared felt nothing existed but his subconscious,” Mr. Gutierrez said. “The dream world was what was real to Jared, not the day-to-day of our lives.”

[Textbook definition of psychosis]

And that dream world, his friend said, could be downright strange.

“He would ask me constantly, ‘Do you see that blue tree over there?’ He would admit to seeing the sky as orange and the grass as blue,” Mr. Gutierrez said. “Normal people don’t talk about that stuff.”

He added that Mr. Loughner “used the word hollow to describe how fake the real world was to him.”

--More clues on Loughner

The friends said Loughner told anyone who would listen that the world we see does not exist, that words have no meaning - and that the only way to derive meaning was during sleep. Loughner began obsessing about a practice called lucid dreaming, in which people try to actively control their sleeping world.

--Shooting suspect's nihilism rose with isolation

His "lucid dreaming" may have also opened him up to demonic influence:
Hidden within a camouflage tent behind Jared Lee Loughner's home sits an alarming altar with a skull sitting atop a pot filled with shriveled oranges.

--Frightening, twisted shrine in Arizona killer Jared Lee Loughner's yard

Skeptical? Check out this discussion thread from the Catholic Answers website:
The Secret Ruined My Daughter

My daughters Health teacher decided to show her 9th grade class the movie: " The Secret"... At a public Charter high school.

This was three months ago, and my daughter is still talking about "positive" and "negative" energies, and how she can "make" things happen as she deems necessary. What does a 14 year old know about life that she should even attempt to make things happen "her: way...

On top of it all, I've noticed that since her new obsession, she's been escaping Sunday Mass as much as she can... I think she is using negative energy to get out of Mass.

Could I be overreacting, or should I start using good Catholic sense to purge her from The Secret.


61 posted on 01/12/2011 9:58:29 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Fascinating.

This young man seems to have had very little connection with the world we inhabit.


64 posted on 01/12/2011 10:49:39 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Not knowing the difference between a woman and a tree is the classic insanity defense. This guy is going to get off.

He added that Mr. Loughner “used the word hollow to describe how fake the real world was to him.”

65 posted on 01/12/2011 11:10:34 AM PST by DManA
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