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To: Lmo56

One, as you have admitted, the case you cited does not state that illegal immigrants are automatically considered to be ‘enemies’.

Therefore, the argument that there exist legal precedents ruling that illegal immigrants ought to be considered enemies and that their children should be stripped of citizenship is false.

There’s been no supreme court ruling to confirm your analysis, which is why you desire legislation to change the laws currently in place.

There is in fact a constitutional amendment which confirms birthright citizenship, so it seems to me that should you wish to change the law, you would need to meet the same standard as the 14 amendment. To alter the 14th to create again a permanent underclass of non-citizens is a poor use of our time and gets away from the real issues.

1, securing the border.
2, making America more attractive for hardworking legal immigrants and less attractive for illegal immigrants.

Fix both those things and you’ve solved the problem.


109 posted on 01/05/2011 8:34:22 PM PST by BenKenobi (Rush speaks! I hear, I obey)
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To: BenKenobi
One, as you have admitted, the case you cited does not state that illegal immigrants are automatically considered to be ‘enemies’.

Therefore, the argument that there exist legal precedents ruling that illegal immigrants ought to be considered enemies and that their children should be stripped of citizenship is false.

There’s been no supreme court ruling to confirm your analysis, which is why you desire legislation to change the laws currently in place.

And there HAS NOT been a Supreme Court ruling supporting your assertion, that the children of illegal immigrants are citizens.

I don't desire legislation, the Supreme Court taking a case and deciding would be good enough for me - either way. However, they are scared sh*tless to take a case, its too political for them. They have been able to dodge it successfully so far for over 230 years - but if one of the States passes a law denying citizenship to the child of an illegal [and the child sues], the Court WOULD NOT be able to avoid the case due to "lack of standing".

Or by Constitutional Amendment [again declaring either way], by 3/4 of the States [the will of the People].

And your assertion that since there has been no ruling that children of illegals are NOT citizens, then this makes them citizens is TOTALLY bogus. You would MAJORLY fail both Logic 101 and Debate 101.

There is in fact a constitutional amendment which confirms birthright citizenship

That citizenship is conferred by BOTH birth within the US and being "subject to the jurisdiction thereof". And, as I have pointed out to you - it is the jurisdiction that is in question.

Without precedent as to "jurisdiction" [vis-a-vis illegal parents], the Court has noted many times that it is INDEED proper to resort to English Common Law in order to determine the issue [Minor v. Happersett, for example].

And, as I have pointed out, English Common Law treated undocumented aliens as enemies AND their children [born in England] NOT to be English subjects.

Give me a Supreme Court Case cite that backs your argument up - you cannot because NONE exist.

110 posted on 01/05/2011 9:14:02 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...</i><p>)
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