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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

You are incredibly ignorant. It is an industrial fact,
***I just posted an industrial fact which I found while searching for your industrial fact, and it shows you to be incredibly ignorant. So, knock off the personal attacks, STFU, and start addressing the issues. If the list is “vast and thorough” you should have no trouble producing it.

There again, you make brash statements without backing them with facts.
***How is that brash? I asked in the non-assuming tone, “what, 5%?”. You’re the one who is brash.

Which convinces me that the rest of your B.S. is nothing more than just that.
***You’re mighty fast to jump to conclusions, resort to immediate insults, and yet there is not much factual refutation in your post. Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

Especially your Cold Fusion theory. Which if it were so complete and superior, would be the Worlds most widely used form of Energy by now.
***Same, same, same argument, over and over again. Rehash rehash. If your argument were valid, we’d be driving hot fusion cars by now.

That is, if it were true. You make it sound so abundant and easy, even a Cave Man could do it!
***No I don’t. That’s why I argue that the cold fusion guys should get some of that research money that the hot fusion guys have been getting. But your argument is, of course, a straw argument which leads any lurker to wonder why you would need to resort to classic fallacies in addition to your quick insults, rather than address the facts on the ground.


23 posted on 12/31/2010 3:03:29 AM PST by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Kevmo

From the tone and phrasing, KevMo is just Mark Goldes (Marketing Officer at Chava Energy) who has been a busy camper on the blogosphere, putting the same inane comments elsewhere. Busy setting up websites like the dead www.energyblogs.com.

Looked at the 2 latest publications from BlackLight. One on the chemical experiments. The other on the plasma/emission front.

First, on the chemical front. Looking at the hydride/hydrino experiments at Rowan and at Blacklight in the past 5 years, the excess energy ratio has decreased from 20:1, 10:1, 5:1, and now 3:1. The trend is approaching 1:1 and there is nothing there to be discovered. Most of the heats of formation of the listed reactants have been compiled back in the 1950’s and have not been updated. The margins of error in many thermodynamic evaluations are often large. Once the Rowan/Blacklight researchers recalibrate for corrected heats of formation, the excess energy ratio is approaching 1:1.

The focus has been on halides: Chlorine, Bromine, and - notoriously - Iodine. Iodine has a strong tendency to produce polyiodide ions: negative and even positive ions composed of several iodine atoms. To a lesser extent, Chlorine and Bromine produce similar polyions. Fluorine, by its small size, behaves quite differently than the other halogens.

Second, on the plasma/emission front. The main failure of Mr Mills’ hydrino model is that the model is a free space model and all experiments by Rowan/Blacklight depends on “hydrino” interacting with other matter. Rowan/Blacklight always talk about catalysis. The simplest and most straightforward experiment is to “lase” some hydrogen gas with UV light at 26 ev. This experiment (and variants) have been done and failed. LASER is an acronym for Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission Radiation. Your common variety of hydrogen plasma gas is - according to the hydrino theory - in a perfect population inversion. Just radiate the hydrogen plasma gas with EUV (>=26 ev) and the outgoing radiation should be of greater intensity than the incoming radiation. BIG FAIL!

Now, one may say that the “hydrino” states are of spherical (s) symmetry and the conventional ground state of hydrogen is also of s symmetry and thus the lasing process is symmetry forbidden. NO PROBLEM! Just optically pump the hydrogen plasma gas to the 2p state (p symmetry) and then lase the pumped plasma with EUV radiation of the appropriate frequency. Again, this experiment has been done: BIG FAIL! Synchroton/Cyclotron produce radiation at all intensities and frequencies.

Let us return to Blacklight’s latest publication on their plasma experiments. They pass a beam of hydrogen (and separately helium less than a millimicron above a grated surface and check the outgoing radiation. Per authors, the radiation in the EUV region is characterized as a “continuum”, not “discrete” and therein lies the failure of the experiment. For - according to Mr Mills - the hydrino states are well defined and thus the outgoing radiation should show discrete peaks. The continuum aspect of the radiation indicates that the transition happen from an excited metastable state (key word: metastable) to the convention ground state. The grated surface is a surface in which narrow grooves were carved in: metastable - and excited - hydrogen gas is produced when the gas atoms is well inside these grooves. Upon exiting the grooves, the metastable radiate EUV into the free space and return back to the convention ground state hydrogen atoms.

Looking at the graphs of the Blacklight publication, the helium experiment shows some peaks in the EUV region but they are faint. The same faint peaks show up with the hydrogen experiment: these peaks are characteristic to the grating surface. The helium experiments show little continuum radiation in the EUV region and this is no proof - direct or indirect - of hydrinos. The continuum radiation is essentially a resonance phenomenon (with respect to the geometry of the grated surface).Helium, having a mass 4 times that of of hydrino would produce the same type of continuum radiation at about 1/2 the frequency.

BlackLight cannot see the forest for the trees. It is so focused on the EUV region and did not look at all radiation ranges.


34 posted on 12/31/2010 5:22:38 PM PST by barracuda1412
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