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To: GourmetDan
So why does a bacteria under stress want to increase its mutation rate again? How is increasing its mutation rate, and thus its rate of evolution a survival advantage during stress?

Oh yeah, because selective pressure upon genetic variability is EVOLUTION.

The error prone DNA polymerase is itself part of the bacterial genome. When error prone DNA polymerase reproduces the genome of the bacteria, the mechanism that induces the error prone DNA polymerase, as well as the gene itself, is subject to change, thus subject to evolution.

It matters not if the original mechanism was derived via evolution, or from nothing directly by God. Either way, from that time onward this was a mechanism of evolution, and subject to evolution.

It need not have been derived via evolution to be a mechanism to INCREASE evolution.

So why would a bacteria increase its rate of evolution in response to stress?

Saying that such is part of the creationist model is ludicrous, as creationists deny that evolution can derive novel biological solutions to environmental stresses.

But I guess creationists accept evolution when it is convenient to them; like when explaining how all modern species could have derived within the last few thousand years from what few species could fit on a boat of specific dimensions.

So no, evolution doesn't result in speciation, the creationist says. Except when we need it to!

337 posted on 12/23/2010 9:42:58 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream
"So why does a bacteria under stress want to increase its mutation rate again? How is increasing its mutation rate, and thus its rate of evolution a survival advantage during stress? Oh yeah, because selective pressure upon genetic variability is EVOLUTION."

The only way this could uniquely favor evolution over creation is if you contend that God would not create life with a broad ability to adapt using mechanisms that are built-in from the start. But that's a philosophical position based on logical fallacy, not a scientific one.

"The error prone DNA polymerase is itself part of the bacterial genome. When error prone DNA polymerase reproduces the genome of the bacteria, the mechanism that induces the error prone DNA polymerase, as well as the gene itself, is subject to change, thus subject to evolution adaptation."

How is the change I made wrong? You like to use the 'evolution' word as though it is the only possibility. How would your exact statement have become false after changing only one word? Without using logical fallacies please.

"It matters not if the original mechanism was derived via evolution, or from nothing directly by God.

Actually, the difference is night and day.

"Either way, from that time onward this was a mechanism of evolution adaptation, and subject to evolution adaptation."

Again, exchanging only the word 'evolution' for the word 'adaptation'; how is the revised statement now false?

"It need not have been derived via evolution adaptation to be a mechanism to INCREASE evolution adaptation. So why would a bacteria increase its rate of evolution adaptation in response to stress?

Again, changing only the word 'evolution' for the word 'adaptation'; how does the statement become false?

"Saying that such is part of the creationist model is ludicrous, as creationists deny that evolution can derive novel biological solutions to environmental stresses."

Ah, projecting emotionally-charged terms again. That seems to be a large part of your 'argument'. Couple that with erecting strawmen about what 'creationists' say without addressing what I say and one could infer that you only have prepared remarks against specific strawman arguments from your evolutionary tracts.

"But I guess creationists accept evolution when it is convenient to them; like when explaining how all modern species could have derived within the last few thousand years from what few species could fit on a boat of specific dimensions."

Keep setting that strawman up and keep knocking him down. I'm sure that is impressing somebody.

"So no, evolution doesn't result in speciation, the creationist says. Except when we need it to!"

Just keep setting that strawman up and keep knocking him down. That's bound to impress the little evolutionist lurkers.

338 posted on 12/23/2010 10:13:26 AM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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