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To: allmendream
"So unless science presupposes supernatural causation as an explanation that assumes there is no God?"

All you need to do is show me where science assumes that there is a God. I'm still waiting.

"Only if you suppose that God only acts upon the universe using supernatural causation and not ever any physical means."

No, not only. Show me any scientific physical means acting on the universe that is attributed to God.

"If God, for example, created Gravity; then a study of how Gravity results in the Earth being in orbit around the Sun is not presupposing that there is no God."

You always try to go here when you are losing badly. First you need to understand that the fact that bacteria have an adaptive mechanism does not mean that the mechanism 'evolved'. You also need to stop claiming that no creationist has ever answered that question for you.

"So how can a system for gaining knowledge be simultaneously “wonderful” and also “based upon the assumption that there is no God”?"

Why do you want to discuss subjective issues when you can't even get the logical ones right?

"It is “wonderful” to assume that there is no God in your deluded mind?"

The delusions are in your mind, not mine.

333 posted on 12/22/2010 6:21:51 PM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GourmetDan
I am not arguing that the mechanism itself evolved, although of course it too is subject to evolution. The fact that the trait is retained shows its survival advantage. The trait is not just the product of evolution, when stress occurs, it is the mechanism of evolution.

Now why is evolution such a good idea for a bacteria under stress? Your claim that it is part of the creationist model is absurd, and argument by assertion only.

334 posted on 12/22/2010 8:20:47 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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