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Dave Says - December 7, 2010 (Dave Ramsey)
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Posted on 12/15/2010 5:56:04 AM PST by CSM

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1 posted on 12/15/2010 5:56:04 AM PST by CSM
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To: Hoosier Catholic Momma; CottonBall; TenthAmendmentChampion; Chickensoup; JDoutrider; ...

The borrower is slave to the lender......

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2 posted on 12/15/2010 5:57:19 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: CSM
HEY, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT !!

DEBT IS NOT A MATHEMATICAL PROBLEM, IT IS A BEHAVIOR PROBLEM !!

3 posted on 12/15/2010 6:04:18 AM PST by John Leland 1789 (Grateful)
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To: CSM

I was in a situation where I had borrowed money from a family member, and paid it back, dollar for dollar, as agreed. But it was not really an equitable deal for the lender, because she didn’t make any interest.

So, I sat down and figured out what she would have made if I had been paying 8% for the duration of the loan, and gave her that in cash, not taking no for an answer. It wasn’t that much money, and everybody felt better about the whole thing.


4 posted on 12/15/2010 6:19:37 AM PST by Haiku Guy (What we've got here is ... failure to communicate.)
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To: CSM

what I did was whenever I paid off a loan, I put half of the usual payment into the next load, and splurged with the other half. that way I had the benifit of being to relax and take a bit of stress off, yet I still got ahead on my other loans.
if you don’t get some reward for paying the debt off, you feel like you’re caught in a grind with no escape. you gotta let off steam every now and again.


5 posted on 12/15/2010 6:21:32 AM PST by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: CSM
If someone I care about asks to borrow money, I will give it to them as a gift IF the need is real and I have the money available. I refuse to lend it to them.

I have turned family members down who have asked to borrow if I don't believe they've done all they can on their own to resolve the problem.

6 posted on 12/15/2010 6:34:48 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: CSM

Polonius:
Neither a borrower nor a lender be,
For loan oft loses both itself and friend,
And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry.
Hamlet Act 1, scene 3


7 posted on 12/15/2010 6:45:14 AM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: MEGoody
I have turned family members down who have asked to borrow if I don't believe they've done all they can on their own to resolve the problem.

We just turned down our 28 year old daughter who wanted a loan for school. She makes good money part-time working and seems to be turning into a professional student. Right now she's angry and we don't expect a Christmas card this year....oh well.

8 posted on 12/15/2010 6:50:52 AM PST by ladyvet
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To: camle

That’s called “blow money” and should be part of the budget. It should be planned for, but not a completely re-occuring item.....


9 posted on 12/15/2010 6:56:21 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: RedStateRocker

Awesome, thanks!


10 posted on 12/15/2010 6:58:19 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: ladyvet

You did the right thing and you have our support. As Dave would say, “would you give a drunk a drink?” No matter how angry your daughter is, have a peaceful mind that you are not enabling her.


11 posted on 12/15/2010 7:00:49 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: CSM

yes, it provides a morale boost whilst at the same time accelerating the paydown...


12 posted on 12/15/2010 7:09:21 AM PST by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: ladyvet

Sometimes you just have to take a tough stance. At that age school should be on the individual’s shoulder, not the parents. It is not so much a matter of money as it is helping a person grow up a bit.


13 posted on 12/15/2010 7:51:03 AM PST by handmade
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To: RedStateRocker
That's one of the most quoted lines from Shakespeare, but the author did not intend the "advice" to be read as something to actually follow.

Read the entire scene, starting with Ophelia and Laertes, and ending with Ophelia and Polonius. Then you can understand that Polonius only cares about appearances and advancing the interests of the Polonian family.

"To thine own self be true," also widely quoted, is really a wicked saying, and if followed would leave one with no standards of virtue at all, except naked self-interest.

Polonoius is really an evil dude, probably responsible for Hamlet's non-advancement to the Throne (Polonius was head of the Council), and thus behind the rottenness that Denmark is subject to.

And Polonius got his just desserts - "How now? A rat? Dead, for a ducat, dead!"

14 posted on 12/15/2010 7:51:29 AM PST by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: ladyvet
Right now she's angry and we don't expect a Christmas card this year....oh well.

You did the right thing, though. There comes a time when we have to demand that our kids stand on their own two feet. I imagine she will learn to appreciate that later.

We went through a rough time with our son, but he's a much better man for it and appreciates the hard stance we took at the time. (He didn't really grasp it until he had kids of his own.)

15 posted on 12/15/2010 8:10:02 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: handmade; CMS
Thanks, it is hard even though we know it's the right thing to do. She is single, bar-tends, and will drop in and out of school as the mood strikes. We told her that she needs the responsibility of her own debts.

Funny thing is she is the only one out of five that is like this. The rest are really money responsible. She is also the only one that is liberal. Going to school for “Green Design” ....maybe that has something to do with it.

16 posted on 12/15/2010 8:14:12 AM PST by ladyvet
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To: RedStateRocker

Umm, Shakespeare wrote that not as advice, or to be taken seriously, but to show that Polonious was a cliche-ridden fraud.


17 posted on 12/15/2010 8:34:57 AM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Martin Tell

Thanks, I posted a shorter, less eloquent version of the same idea. Drives me crazy when half-read literature is misused.


18 posted on 12/15/2010 8:38:55 AM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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Thank you.

I am obsessed with Hamlet. I've seen dozens of productions, but still find the Branagh film version, unabridged of course, to be the best. I watched the first half with my ten year old son last week. Never too early to start with great literature.

And every time I read/see Hamlet I see something new. What a work of genius!

19 posted on 12/15/2010 8:50:55 AM PST by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: Martin Tell

I am fascinated by Hamlet also. Have my own crackpot theory about Ophelia and some missing pages.


20 posted on 12/15/2010 9:11:39 AM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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