Posted on 12/13/2010 9:36:29 PM PST by Justaham
Dave’s not here.
Dave is everywhere, now.
Something *wonderful* happened.
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“It might sound like I’m slagging on Disney, but I’m really not. I’m sure the folks there consulted the best experts...”
Tron was released during Disney’s “malaise” era, the period from Walt’s death in 1966 to the arrival of Michael Eisner in 1984. Not a bright period in the company’s history.
“I think we are already observing that the productivity gains of the last few decades resulting in growing chronic unemployment”
Actually, I think welfare is a lot more responsible for chronic unemployment.
Agreed. Thing is I’ve created AI, spent countless hours researching it, delving into the intricacies of what AI actually entails. What it means to be intelligent.
At the most boiled down point I was able to reach I realized that there are things a computer can never truly attain.
[rewards and penalties], [likes and dislikes], [wants and needs].
Without these, even the most simplistic mind becomes impossible. You can program the brain of a 2 year old if you spend enough time putting all of that logic into a program, but how does that brain learn to, say, read? Why does it *care* to read? Does it feel success or failure based on how quickly it learns?
Nope, nor will it. It will always be fake and simplistic, limited by the creativity of the person creating it. We will never create a digital replication of “human” and certainly not “super human” because we’re more complex than we understand ourselves to be and are limited by our own understanding of what it means to *be* human. The best you will ever get is a semi-convincing replication of a given behavior, or set of behaviors.
I could probably create AI that would learn to read a book (by comparing its results to the known content), then learn to vocalize it to you (by comparing its output to the known content), but that’s all the AI would be able to do. It wouldn’t be able to tell you whether the book was good or not, it would just be able to read the book to you. And let’s not even talk about trying to get it to add emotion to the reading.
That’s great analysis. But on a gut-level response, it’s when they get really close to human mimicry that we start to feel ourselves slipping into “The Uncanny Valley.”
Right, whereas I’m sitting back thinking “why the hell did they feel the need to type out this many CASE statements”.
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