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To: Kenny Bunk

The logical rub here is that one cannot be a Natural Born Citizen of anywhere by statute. BHO, Jr. Becme a “dual citizen beause of his parentage. BHO, Sr. was a Natural Born Citizen of the British Empire, passing onto his son the rights and privileges thereby.
The King had no need to declare young Barack Jr. a citizen of the British Empire. He was one at birth.


And yet in now 86 already adjudicated attempts, including 9 appeals at the Supreme Court of the United States, no one has been able to convince a judge of your point.

From William Rawle’s book “A View of the Constitution of the United States of America” (1825) which was quoted in the Congressional debate of the 14th Amendment as well as as by the Supreme Court of Connecticut in the case of the Town of New Hartford v. The Town of Canaan (1886): “The citizens of each state constituted the citizens of the United States when the Constitution was adopted. The rights which appertained to them as citizens of those respective commonwealths, accompanied them in the formation of the great, compound commonwealths which ensued. They became citizens of the latter, without ceasing to be citizens of the former, and he who was subsequently born a citizen of a state, became at the moment of his birth a citizen of the United States. Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.”

William Rawle was appointed by George Washington to be the first US Attorney for the District of Pennsylvania.


108 posted on 11/29/2010 4:14:31 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777
So our track record in calling these cases remains perfect, for basic legal reasons that have been explained repeatedly. And yet, as also predicted, none of these lawsuit fans will ever countenance the thought, even for a moment, that their understanding of the legal issues involved may be something less than totally correct.

It's kind of amazing to what lengths the need to feel outraged will drive people. You'd have thought winning an election would brighten the mood.

122 posted on 11/29/2010 5:36:03 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: jamese777; butterdezillion; rxsid; OldDeckHand
And yet in now 86 already adjudicated attempts, including 9 appeals at the Supreme Court of the United States, no one has been able to convince a judge of your point.

These cases have foundered not "on the merits" of the pleadings. That is, not one court has laid out for us what "Natural Born Citizen" means. The cases have been tossed on procedural grounds, on "standing," and "jurisdiction;" and in all likelihood, rightly so. It is true that liberal judges have not been able to resist the odd dig at the attorneys involved, some of whose pleadings have been quite frankly, laughable.

Judge Lamberth, as you pointed out, went out of his way to draw a "roadmap" of how the case for a Writ of Quo Warranto must proceed. The map has been ignored by all except Lawyer Donofrio, who has invested his time and energy after his initial rebuff by the SCOTUS in (a) finding the "right" plaintiff, with proper standing, and (b) bringing the case in the right court, the Federal District Court in DC.

Sticky points: The Attorney General must turn down the case before the plaintiffs have cause to go before the court on their own behalf! When they do, permission from the court is far from automatic, but could become a case within itself!
It is possible that Holder has been asked. But I see no answers forthcoming from him. That crucial step alone could stonewall the proceedings until well after he, and Obama, are gone.

I think everyone is correct when they say the courts are ducking this. Unfortunately, the courts have had every legal reason for doing so, so far.

130 posted on 11/30/2010 2:08:43 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Obama. He's Ray Nagin in National Office)
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