[VADoc1980]

You're the one ignoring the Constitution and trying to trample the will of the people and their elected representatives that passed the 14th amendment in 1868. I don't care what some French guy named Vattel said. He certainly wasn't natural-born. The 14th amendment grants citizenship to everyone born in this country. There are only two types of citizenship - born and naturalized. Jindal wasn't naturalized so he's a born citizen. Obama wasn't naturalized so he's also a born citizen. Being born here trumps any writing you can come up with and all court decisions regarding the 14th are IRRELEVANT. The Constitution trumps everything. It's the ultimate authority on citizenship. Nobody outside of the birther community cares about the secondary source, persuasive crap being put out there.

If you are born in this country, you are a citizen. If you don't like that fact, repel the 14th. But the attempts of birthers to get around it seem downright seditious sometimes.

[patlin]

Obviously you haven't read the congressional testimony & statements of the framers(Sen. Howard & Sen. Trumbull) of the 14th & cited by the Supreme Court in 1884 case of Elk v Wilkins, the seminal case that held the language of the 14th to be constitutional, explanation & language was accepted in the holding of both the deciding & dissenting opinions aka the entire court unanimously accepted this definition as being the law since our founding:

“[t]he phrase, ‘subject to its jurisdiction’ was intended to exclude from its operation children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States.”

or how about Rep Bingham who wrote the actual language of the bill that passed the House of Reps:

I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen. Now, where in either

[noinfringers2]

The Constitution I have a copy of specifically requires a ‘natural born citizen’ NOT just an ordinary ‘citizen’ as noted in the 14th amendment. I alluded to this in a prvious posting as to my brother and I being born of non-naturalized Russian immigrants, thus not being eligible for POTUSA. We both served in WWII. Brother was killed on Okinawa. As much as I had thought as a child that I could be POTUSA I had to settle for smething less grandiose such as a foot soldier.

[bushpilot1]

E. Vattel was not French. The 14th Amendment has nothing to do with a natural born citizen. All citizens cannot be a natural born citizen.

The 14th Amendment gave citizenship to former slaves. Nothing more. Please do not distort and warp our laws for political and personal gain.

It is a canker that eats at the heart of our constitution.