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To: patlin

“native refers to soil; natural refers to nature, as in it flows through the blood naturally”

How, persay, could U.S. citizenship pass to children through the blood if the parents were not born U.S. citizens? I realize they were grandfathered in, but how would that affect their blood. If, as another poster said, Van Buren was the first natural born president, and if, as I assume, his parents weren’t born U.S. citizens, how did he get his citizenship through their blood? And how do naturalized citizens produce citizen offspring if they weren’t born citizens, and therefore don’t have citizenship in the blood?


296 posted on 11/12/2010 9:24:04 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane
Ummm, once a person is naturalized, they ARE citizens, thus their children naturally follow that condition and become natural citizens if born after the parents naturalization. If they are born prior to the naturalization of the parents, they become naturalized citizens themselves upon the naturalization of the parents.

See: Naturalization Acts of 1790 & forward & the 100 year US Census Report in the Congressional Records of 1892.

Statement of Mr Louis Schade:

Mr. SCHADE. Mr. Chairman and gentlemen of the committee...It is now about thirty-six years since I was active in defense of the old American policy of encouraging and not driving off immigration. I think it was in 1856 when I prepared some statistics on this subject...

Now. I want to give you some proof, taken also from the census of 1880, showing that this assertion of mine, this calculation is correct. In 1880 the foreigners and their children (not grandchildren) outnumbered the natives in the following States...

The CHAIRMAN. Are you allowing the natives any children or only the foreigners?

Mr. SCHADE. I repeat again that this statement is taken from the census of 1880. The census stated, for instance, that the foreigners number so many and those born in this country of foreign parents were so many. By adding them together I construed the above table.

The CHAIRMAN. You compare those with the native born?

Mr. SCHADE. I give the foreigners and their children. I do not add their grandchildren, because I give them to the natives.

Representative GEISSENHAINEB. You do add the children?

Mr. SCHADE. Yes, sir.

Senator HALE. Your figures, from 1790 to 1890, would show the native population, including the blacks, to be 25,000,000?

Mr. SCHADE. Yes, sir.

Senator HALE. And as the whole population of the United States is 65,000,000, you conclude from that that the other 40,000,000 are foreigners and their increase.

Mr. SCHADE. Yes, sir; foreigners and their children since 1790....

lots of numbers discussed...

At 11:30 o'clock a. m. the committees adjourned.

317 posted on 11/12/2010 9:52:35 PM PST by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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