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To: Tublecane
“Just being born here does not make you a ‘Natural Born Citizen’....it just makes you a citizen. Therefore you do not have the right to be president.”

What are you, then? And don’t say native born, because that doesn’t count.

You are a citizen............but not a "Natural Born Citizen".

The framers wanted it clear that anyone sitting in the Presidency would not have any foreign allegiances. In order to assure that to be the case they insisted that both parents of any presidential aspirant would be.....themselves, full citizens of this country. They (the parents) could have been born elsewhere....and then naturalized, but their progeny, hoping to attain the office of president would have been required to have been born after they (their parents) received that citizenship.

When a person becomes a citizen they must take an oath to be loyal to the flag and it is assumed they would then pass on this quality to any.....and all offspring. And....that's what the framers had in mind with the requirement to be a natural born citizen.......not a naturalized citizen or one born of non citizen parents.

As an example...........my grandparents (all four) came from the old country.....and both my parents were born here. My Mom and Dad always had a closer affinity to the old country because they were brought up under some of the old traditions....spoke the language around the house and were generally more familiar with the old customs than I ever was. My father would not have been able to be president because my grandfather did not attain citizenship right away and my dad was born prior to that event. On the other hand, I could seek the office because my mom and dad were both citizens.......but my dad was not a natural born citizen because my grandfather (his dad) delayed his application. My mother was a natural born citizen because, even with the fact that her parents came here as immigrants, both of them had attained citizenship by the time she was born. Consequently.....my mom could have run for the office but my dad could not......and they were both born here.....but only my mom was natural born.

271 posted on 11/12/2010 8:47:52 PM PST by Diego1618 ( Put "Ron" on the rock!)
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To: Diego1618

“The framers wanted it clear that anyone sitting in the Presidency would not have any foreign allegiances”

They did a pretty poor job of that. Might’ve said so, at least.

“In order to assure that to be the case they insisted that both parents of any presidential aspirant would be.....themselves, full citizens of this country.”

No they didn’t. They insisted a presidential aspirant be born a citizen. Which may or may not have been implied at the time to be children of citizen parents. But that’s not the case anymore, per the 14th amendment.

“When a person becomes a citizen they must take an oath to be loyal to the flag and it is assumed they would then pass on this quality to any.....and all offspring.”

I’ve never understood how an oath makes its way into the blood.


297 posted on 11/12/2010 9:27:30 PM PST by Tublecane
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