Posted on 11/07/2010 12:14:28 AM PDT by blackbart.223
Just checked the S/N on the old 1911,152xxx.
“In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled New .45, Shooter 2.5 wrote:
So I have to keep posting the NRA didn’t become a lobbying group until 1974, you stupid son of a bitch?
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OK, time to repost what you claim never happened. The NRA is a gun control group, always has been, always will be. You should take off your NRA vest with all those patches. You look silly.
WHERE THE NRA STANDS ON GUN LEGISLATION
97-year record shows positive approach to workable gun laws
By ALAN C. WEBBER
Associate Editor
THE AMERICAN RIFLEMAN
“I think it is a terrible indictment of the National Rifle Association that they haven’t supported any legislation to try and control the misuse of rifles and pistols in this country.”
That flat assertion was made by Senator Robert Kennedy (N.Y.), Jan. 16 in addressing the New York State University law school in Buffalo.
Terming Kennedy’s accusation “a smear of a great American organization,” NRA Executive Vice President Franklin L. Orth pointed out that “The National Rifle Association has been in support of workable, enforceable gun control legislation since its very inception in 1871.”
A few days later, Orth seconded the request of President Lyndon Johnson, made Jan. 17 in his State of the Union message, for a curb on mail-order sales.
“The duty of Congress is clear,” Orth said, “it should act now to pass legislation that will keep undesirables, including criminals, drug addicts and persons adjudged mentally irresponsible or alcoholic, or juveniles from obtaining firearms through the mails.”
The NRA position, as stated by Orth, emphasizes that the NRA has consistently supported gun legislation which it feels would penalize misuse of guns without harassing law-abiding hunters, target shooters and collectors.
Here is the record over the years:
Item: The late Karl T. Frederick, an NRA president, served for years as special consultant with the Commissioners on Uniform State Laws to frame The Uniform Firearms Act of 1930.
Adopted by Alabama, Indiana, the District of Columbia, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, and Washington, the Act directly attacks the “mail order murder” to which President Johnson referred in his State of the Union Message. It specifically forbids delivery of pistols to convicts, drug addicts, habitual drunkards, incompetents, and minors under the age of 18. Other salient provisions of the Act require a license to carry a pistol concealed on one’s person or in a vehicle; require the purchaser of a pistol to give information about himself which is submitted by the seller to local police authorities; specify a 48-hour time lapse between application for purchase and delivery.
Item: The NRA supported The National Firearms Act of 1934 which taxes and requires registration of such firearms as machine guns, sawed-off rifles and sawed-off shotguns.
Item: The NRA supported The Federal Firearms Act of 1938, which regulates interstate and foreign commerce in firearms and pistol or revolver ammunition, and prohibits the movement in interstate or foreign commerce of firearms and ammunition between certain persons and under certain conditions.
More recently, the spate of articles on gun legislation has spread the erroneous impression that the NRA has always opposed Senator Thomas J. Dodd’s attempts to keep guns out of the hands of juveniles. This is simply untrue. The facts are these:
The NRA worked closely with the Senate Subcommittee on Juvenile Delinquency, of which Senator Dodd was chairman, in its investigation into the relationship between juvenile crime and the availability of firearms.
The NRA supported the original “Dodd Bill” to amend the Federal Firearms Act in regard to handguns when it was introduced as S.1975 in August, 1963. Among its provisions was the requirement that a purchaser submit a notarized statement to the shipper that he was over 18 and not legally disqualified from possessing a handgun.
In January, 1965, with the continued support of the NRA, Senator Dodd introduced an amended version of his first bill, now designated 5.14 and expanded to cover rifles and shotguns as well as handguns.
The parting of the ways came only when Senator Dodd introduced still another bill (S.1592) in March, 1965, which drastically intensified his earlier bills. The NRA opposed S.1592 and subsequent bills introduced by the Connecticut Senator. If passed into law, S.1592 would, among other things, have ended all interstate shipments of firearms except to persons holding a Federal firearms license. It also would have prohibited even a Federal licensee from selling a pistol to anyone residing in another State.
NRA support of Federal gun legislation did not stop with the earlier Dodd bills. It currently backs several Senate and House bills which, through amendment, would put new teeth into the National and Federal Firearms Acts. The essential provisions which the NRA supports are contained in 2 Senate bills introduced by Senator Roman L. Hruska (Nebr.) and House bills introduced by Congressmen Cecil R. King (17th fist.-Calif.) and Robert L. F. Sikes (1st Dist.Fla.). These bills would:
1. Impose a mandatory penalty for the carrying or use of a firearm, transported in interstate or foreign commerce, during the commission of certain crimes.
2. Place “destructive devices” (bombs, mines, grenades, crew-served military ordnance) under Federal regulation.
3. Prohibit any licensed manufacturer or dealer from shipping any firearm to any person in any State in violation of the laws of that state.
4. Regulate the movement of handguns in interstate and foreign commerce by:
a. requiring a sworn statement, containing certain information, from the purchaser to the seller for the receipt of a handgun in interstate commerce;
b. providing for notification of local police of prospective sales;
c. requiring an additional 7-day waiting period by the seller after receipt of acknowledgement of notification to local police;
d. prescribing a minimum age of 21 for obtaining a license to sell firearms and increasing the license fees;
e. providing for written notification by manufacturer or dealer to carrier that a firearm is being shipped in interstate commerce;
f. increasing penalties for violation.
Through bulletins to its members, the NRA has often voiced approval and support of State and local ordinances designed to keep firearms out of the hands of undesirables. A bulletin of Feb. 20, 1964 notified Virginia members of the introduction in the Virginia House of Delegates of a bill requiring a 72-hour waiting period for purchase of a handgun. In the bulletin, which outlined the provisions of the bill, NRA Secretary Frank C. Daniel commented as follows:
“A number of States and local jurisdictions have a waiting period of varying length for the purchase of a concealable firearm; and, where intelligently and reasonably administered, it has not proved to be an undue burden on the shooter and sportsman. ... The bill from a technical point of view adequately protects citizens of good character from any arbitrary denial of their right to purchase a handgun. It should be judged on the basis of whether or not a waiting period for the purchase of a handgun is desirable for the State.”
The bill was killed in the House Feb. 25, 1964.
When bills were introduced in the Illinois legislature in February, 1965, to provide mandatory penalties for crimes committed while armed with a firearm, the NRA expressed its opinion to Illinois members in these terms:
NRA Secretary Daniel
“The purpose of these bills is to penalize the criminal misuse of firearms and weapons, and not the firearms themselves. This is a sound and reasonable basis for regulation and is aimed in the right direction—that of criminal conduct when armed. Senate Bill No. 351 and House Bill No. 472 are worthy of the support of the sports-men of the State of Illinois.”
The bills were passed by the Senate and House but were vetoed by Gov. Otto Kerner a few months later.
Many other instances of NRA support for worthwhile gun legislation could be quoted. But these suffice to show that Senator Kennedy’s “terrible indictment” of the NRA is groundless.
So, by the NRA’s own words they are and always have been a gun control lobbying group, contrary to your bold-faced lie that they never lobbied until 1974.
They worked with congress to create:
1. The Uniform Firearms Act of 1930.
2. The National Firearms Act of 1934.
3. Gun Control Act of 1968.
The NRA also lobbied and worked with State legislatures to create a number of State level gun control laws including Prject Exile.
The NRA has and always will be a gun control organization that labbies and works with federal, State and local governments to restrict firearm freedoms. They have done far more damage than the Brady bunch.
As the NRA, itself, stated:
“The National Rifle Association has been in support of workable, enforceable gun control legislation since its very inception in 1871.”
Stupid liar.
The NRA-ILA wasn’t created until 1974 and the antigunners threatened the NRA with the loss of their tax status if they became involved with the GCA 1968.
Keep sitting on the sidelines you stupid f#ck, the adults have work to do.
Charlton Heston's own words are well documented that he demanded the Gun Control Act of 1968, yet, you and the NRA hold him up as a poster child for firearms freedom when it was he that pushed and was instrumental for it.
How about another famous quote for Heston:
Heston: "I just got through telling you. The possession -- private possession -- of AK-47s is entirely inappropriate."
Let’s also ask: “Why did the NRA and the Brady Campaign both create their lobbying corporations in 1974?”
Gosh, shooter, maybe you’d like to asnwer that one? Doubt you will, so allow me.
“California’s Political Reform Act of 1974, which requires the disclosure of financial activities related to political campaigns and lobbying.”
Prior to that, both lobbied as they pleased, but the laws changed in 1974. Your idea that the NRA never lobbied until it created the NRA-ILA in 1974 is just full of holes. They freely admit they lobbied, worked with law makers, and supported gun control measures their entire existence.
Full mag at 50? That is pretty damn good.
My brother and I have managed 4 out of 8 and we got lucky with 5 or 6 a couple of times but that was years ago when we lived in Oklahoma. I come up on a target and he has this weird thing of coming down on the target from the right. It works for him.
There probably isn’t a range in the San Francisco Bay Area where we can shoot that distance with handgun.
For that matter, we love to shoot 300-500yrds and can’t do that either. We compensate by taking the quarter sized leftovers from shoot & see’s and placing them at our favorite distances above bullseye. I take all four place them approximately 12” above and below and to the left and right @ 100yrds.
Thank you so much for the story. I loved the sarcasm of the writer but James’ story was just terrific. I love it when a guy admits he actually needs practice as opposed to others claim they don’t.
The best part is he was one lucky guy to fall into a line of work and eventually a business he just loved.
That’s the way to live. Working at something you love, loving your work and living.
LOL
You crack me up.
Really? I have heard this before from other shooters.
So I did my Kimber and Springfield a favor by not cleaning them?
They are my two favorite guns and I added zip, zero, nada to them. My brother keeps trying to get me scope the M1A but I love it just the way it is and besides, I have plenty of other scoped guns.
I just love that Kimber TacII.
Here is my affirmative action proper use of a gun by Denny Crane:
Turn up your speakers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KvO-8IvoCI
Sorry to step into your intramural fight but wasn’t the Brady Commiepain created after Reagan was shot?
Not looking to argue. An honest question for my own edification.
Thanks.
Bricks!
My brother and I used to shoot my .22 in the basement. We set up a bullseye on a piece of wood and propped it against a roll of roofing tar paper. We got away with it until the old man had to do a bit of roof-fixing....then, iirc, all hell broke loose chez nous.
Handgun Control, Inc. was founded in 1974, but after the 1981 shooting they started using the new name of “Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence”.
I saw Jim Brady using his victim status against the nation. I can’t imagine Reagan having been happy with him for that.
That was great, thank you.
I haven’t stopped laughing today, from one thread to another!
;-)
Brady and his wife are absolutely using their victim status to find relevancy in life.
It’s wrong.
SKIN!
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