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Why Do So Many Geeks Hate Internet Explorer?
How-To-Geek ^ | 18 October 2010 | HTG

Posted on 10/20/2010 8:28:50 AM PDT by ShadowAce

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To: SunkenCiv

I love that pic


61 posted on 10/20/2010 9:52:59 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: OneWingedShark
Everything you've described is about structure. New geeks (fresh graduates) prefer the lack of structure, which means more freedom, and less debugging.

Just MHO, of course, but that's what it seems like to me.

62 posted on 10/20/2010 9:55:18 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: zeugma

When I use someone else’s computer I am always shocked at how many ads are on pages that I use everyday. Adblock is truly the best addon ever.


63 posted on 10/20/2010 9:57:16 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Straight Vermonter

I just installed Adblock after trying to get an answer from MS as to how to stop those “mouseover” popups from happening. Other than disabling scripting, they didn’t have an answer. More and more frequently, those mouseover popups are ads.

Adblock stops them.

Incidentally, I had firefox on the computer for a couple of days, and it did the same thing. Looks like advertizers have found a new “feature” to exploit. and Adblock has found a new solution.


64 posted on 10/20/2010 10:05:09 AM PDT by meyer (Tax the productive to carry the freeloaders - What is it with democrats and slavery?)
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To: Straight Vermonter

I just installed Adblock after trying to get an answer from MS as to how to stop those “mouseover” popups from happening. Other than disabling scripting, they didn’t have an answer. More and more frequently, those mouseover popups are ads.

Adblock stops them.

Incidentally, I had firefox on the computer for a couple of days, and it did the same thing. Looks like advertizers have found a new “feature” to exploit. and Adblock has found a new solution.


65 posted on 10/20/2010 10:05:19 AM PDT by meyer (Tax the productive to carry the freeloaders - What is it with democrats and slavery?)
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To: meyer

Now, if FR weren’t so slow, I wouldn’t have double-posted.


66 posted on 10/20/2010 10:06:00 AM PDT by meyer (Tax the productive to carry the freeloaders - What is it with democrats and slavery?)
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To: ShadowAce

>Everything you’ve described is about structure.

Indeed, structure /= undesirable.
Looking at spoken languages, structure is quite important for conveying meaning; thus the differences in:
I’m so afraid.
I’m afraid so.
and
So[,] I’m afraid.

All of these are valid English, and all have different meaning.
I’ve heard that Chinese is a ‘structureless’ language insofar as noun/verb placement.

>New geeks (fresh graduates) prefer the lack of structure, which means more freedom, and less debugging.

An incorrect assumption, on their part, IMO.
Take ‘typeless’ languages where you have to test everything’s ‘type.’ (i.e. Is_Number(), Is_Letter(), Is_whitespace(), Is_HexNumber() style tests.) And the automatic promotion can give odd results, strongly-typed languages with the ‘Variant’ type show this same susceptibility.

Less debugging can come from MORE structure, such as Ada’s strong-typing, where the compiler simply will not compile violating code.

>Just MHO, of course, but that’s what it seems like to me.

It seems that way to me too; though the programming-friends I talk to about it generally seem to be swayed toward [some of] my viewpoints after they gain more experience.


67 posted on 10/20/2010 10:31:09 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: samtheman

I suggest a web search for “Windows (version you use) TCP/IP Registry Entries”, as always, tweak the registry with care and with a backup.


68 posted on 10/20/2010 10:31:50 AM PDT by Notary Sojac ("Goldman Sachs" is to "US economy" as "lamprey" is to "lake trout")
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To: OneWingedShark

I agree with everything you’ve said. I must admit, it took me a couple of years to appreciate structure and strong-typed languages. But they are great for producing well-written work, within their framework.


69 posted on 10/20/2010 10:41:04 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: RobRoy
Barney: Why did the short-hair cross the street?

Clem: What do you mean?

Barney: Err....Because someone told him to. Now: Why did the long-hair cross the street?

Clem: Umm, because someone told him NOT to.

Barney: Oh, well, you heard that one.

Clem: No, I.....

70 posted on 10/20/2010 10:45:45 AM PDT by Erasmus (Personal goal: Have a bigger carbon footprint than Tony Robbins.)
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To: Erasmus

You must be thinking of “Ah Clem”. ;)

“Hey, man, he broke the president!”


71 posted on 10/20/2010 10:47:03 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

:’) StumbleUpon for example.


72 posted on 10/20/2010 11:01:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: ShadowAce

>I agree with everything you’ve said. I must admit, it took me a couple of years to appreciate structure and strong-typed languages.

You know, I think I was kinda the other way around. I taught myself on Pascal, with little more than the compiler and the user’s/programmer’s guides that came with it. {good old TP}
A few years later (2 or 3) I began my formal programming education; and that was where I was introduced to C/C++. Having been spoiled by the TP compiler which gives you decent error messages, I quickly came to hate C syntax.

One particular incident that stands out in my mind is, for a particular very-low level/intro programming class, I had a homework all ready to go and and decided to pretty it up and expand the commenting a bit... when I was finished with the minor revisions the compiler rejected the source with an incomprehensible error message saying “number radix out of bounds,” showing this error to the instructor proved unhelpful, as even he could not tell me what it meant. As you’re probably thinking, it turned out to be that the 0 I had prefixed onto an array index, in order to line up a series of such indexings, changed the meaning of the number to be octal and the compiler was trying to say that ‘08’ doesn’t exist in octal. {I actually found out that’s what that error message was saying while reading the Unix Hater’s Handbook some years later.}

And, thinking about ‘structure’ in general it is precisely the feature that allows formal logic proofs and the “mathematical trick” of induction. Any programmer who scoffs at the utility of THOSE has no business in the field.

An article I’d recently read popped immediately to mind when I read your reply:
http://www.eetimes.com/design/eda-design/4008921/Expressive-vs-permissive-languages—Is-that-the-question-?pageNumber=1

>But they are great for producing well-written work, within their framework.

Indeed.
Just take a look at an implementation of the Queen-positioning problem (placing 8 queens on a chess board in such manner that none endangers any other) implemented in imperative/procedural vs Rule-based, vs logic-based programming. The difference is amazing and, IMO, shows the value of “choosing the right tool for the job” in the realm of programming as well as the power of changing your perspective on a problem may make a solution easier.


73 posted on 10/20/2010 11:16:10 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: ShadowAce
I'm sure you all have seen the geek keyboard??

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74 posted on 10/20/2010 11:18:32 AM PDT by Notary Sojac ("Goldman Sachs" is to "US economy" as "lamprey" is to "lake trout")
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To: VanDeKoik; rarestia

Here’s a tip - Minimize the FF to the taskbar and then bring it back. The memory allocation gets cut by at least 2/3rds.


75 posted on 10/20/2010 11:22:00 AM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !! Â)
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To: RobRoy

If you push something hard enough, it -will- fall over.


76 posted on 10/20/2010 11:30:08 AM PDT by Notary Sojac ("Goldman Sachs" is to "US economy" as "lamprey" is to "lake trout")
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To: Notary Sojac

>>If you push something hard enough, it -will- fall over.<<

Everybody knows that’s Fudd’s First Law of Opposition.


77 posted on 10/20/2010 11:35:58 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: OneWingedShark

I was a COBOL programmer for a couple of decades. I was taught in the early 80’s to create structured programs using nazi-Shneiderman (sp?) charts. A friend of mine that eventually went on to teach powerbuilder years later told me that the COBOL programs I wrote were actually object oriented.

Anyway, back in the day there were two programmers in my shop that were each given the task to write “sister” programs. One had been trained as I was (Joe), the other just came in cold, but was one of the smartest guys I have ever met (Bill).

Bill was furiously coding while Joe was just writing stuff on paper and bench testing pieces, etc. Bill was laughing at how he was almost done coding while Joe was still putting pencil to paper. Interestingly, once Joe was done with paper, it took him a single day to “type in” the program, and a few hours to get a clean compile. It took him two days to clean up and debug.

Meanwhile, Bill was still trying to get a clean compile and it took him two MORE weeks to debug. And still, what he ended up with was spaghetti code that was a maintenance nightmare.

But Bill was smart and learned from his mistake. He learned structured coding techniques and created some very nice stuff before he went on to become an IMS DBA.

IMO, structure is everything.


78 posted on 10/20/2010 11:45:48 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: SunkenCiv
:’) StumbleUpon for example.

AutoCopy, DownThemAll, Cool Previews, BBCode, Cool Iris, MR Tech Toolkit, Drop Anywhere, Ghostery...and the list goes on. I use about 50 of them all the time. Tweaks that make Firefox........wait for it.........

AWESOME.

79 posted on 10/20/2010 1:51:48 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts ("Give me your secrets, Bring me a sign, Give me a reason to walk the fire.")
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To: shorty_harris

’ve never used IE as my regular browser. I went from Mosaic straight to Netscape Navigator.

Brings back memories. An alternative to NCSA Mosiac was Arachnid, light, fast, and free.

Mel

80 posted on 10/20/2010 4:34:52 PM PDT by grwcfl537 (No M$ products on this network.)
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