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To: publiusF27
Isn’t SS based on the taxing power, though?

"The Social Security system may be accurately described as a form of social insurance, enacted pursuant to Congress' power to "spend money in aid of the general welfare,'" Helvering v. Davis, supra, at 301 U. S. 640" --Flemming v. Nestor, 363 U.S. 603

They created a program and enacted a tax to fund it.

The penalty used to enforce the healthcare mandate is in the form of a tax penalty imposed and collected under the Internal Revenue Code.

The topic article points out that the judges are not listening to that argument, because that is not the power Congress says they are relying on in the bill.

I didn't see it. A quote would be helpful.

Insurance provides policy holders with proprietary and accrued property rights. The Social Security Insurance program was sold to the public as insurance, but the Supreme Court refused to so restrict it, asserting that, "To engraft upon the Social Security system a concept of 'accrued property rights' would deprive it of the flexibility and boldness in adjustment to ever-changing conditions which it demands."

Obamacare may turn eventually into a bigger boondoggle than Social Security, but that doesn't make it unprecedented. Both systems impose individual mandates under an assertion of the general welfare clause. Both systems utilize the tax system in the administration and enforcement of the benefits programs.

The heated "individual mandate" language being tossed doubtless has some political advantages to its invocation, but I'm skeptical of the legal merits.

31 posted on 10/21/2010 5:20:39 AM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: Mojave
Start around page 27 in Hudson's ruling, and note his question quoted in the article linked to the original one.

Judge Hudson appeared skeptical of the administration's argument that the fee for not carrying insurance amounts to a tax. He said President Barack Obama vehemently denied it was a tax while Democrats were securing votes to pass the legislation. "Was he trying to deceive the people?" the judge asked.

He quoted Drexel v Bailey and also the Linder case and others as establishing that:

"the law is that Congress can tax under its taxing power that which it can't regulate, but it can't regulate through taxation that which it cannot otherwise regulate."

Judge Vinson said:

Congress's conspicuous decision to not use the term "tax" in the Act when referring to the exaction (as it had done in at least three earlier incarnations of the legislation) is significant. "'Few principles of statutory construction are more compelling than the proposition that Congress does not intend sub silentio to enact statutory language that it has earlier discarded in favor of other language.'"
32 posted on 10/21/2010 6:12:27 AM PDT by publiusF27
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