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To: Moonman62; MHGinTN

Lots of misinformation in your post.

1 - The doctor was both supposedly giving prescriptions, and also refusing to see Scott and had nothing to do with him (”Dr. Pearce said he does not know Erik Scott, has never treated him professionally, or was a patient of his.”).

2 - So, based on the laws of Nevada, what ARE the pertinent questions for the inquest to answer?

3 - “Scott was carrying his weapon illegally under the influence of drugs.” Not if he had valid prescriptions. If he did not, then he still was not committing a crime punishable by death.

4 - “He held up his hand to a Costco employee’s head as if it was a gun.” False. He said he would protect the Costco employee if he was threatened. You make it sound like he was threatening the man he said he would protect...

5 - “Scott immediately went for his gun when he was first contacted by the police.” No. He didn’t grab for his gun. He turned, and removed the holster with his gun in it. That is undeniable, and that is not the same as ‘going for his gun’.

6 - “He didn’t follow any commands. Two witnesses yesterday said when Mosher was giving commands, Scott was looking back and forth as if he was looking for a way out.” He seems to have received more than one command. Looking around is not consistent with trying to escape, but with disbelief that the incident is happening to him. I am certain that a person leaving Costco knew where the exit was without needing further looking.

7 - “From the information Mosher received from his dispatcher, he believed Scott was armed, under the influence of drugs, and threatening.” Agreed. Yet in reality, Scott didn’t try to attack anyone. That is a known fact. So the cop was obviously prepped to see something that wasn’t there, which would help explain why he didn’t know the gun was holstered until after he killed the man offering it.

Remember, the physical evidence proves Scott had no intent to shoot. It was impossible for him to do so.

8 - “Scott disobeyed any training he ever received as a soldier or as a CCW holder on how to disarm.” False. I was told the same sort of thing, with it being optional on handing the gun over or letting the cop remove it. Nor is a soldier trained on how to disarm. I spent 25 years in, and was trained to shoot, not to give up.

9 - “The only way the cops could have handled the situation better was with hindsight.” Nope. The cops needed to be less trigger happy and less confrontational. It is amazing how much more receptive someone is to “Sir, can I have a word with you for a minute?” than to “Drop it! On your knees!”

10 - “The best outcome would have been if Scott was in a detox center or a hospital where he belonged.” We largely agree on this,. The evidence shows Scott had become addicted to painkillers.


MHGinTN wrote, “I still haven’t found a single piece of data from the court supporting the accusation that he was shot after hitting the pavement.”

He was hit in the buttocks and the bullet travel up into the body. Unless Las Vegas cops are as short as they are fat, they couldn’t shoot him in the butt with an upward trajectory. Also, when I first read the news accounts in July, it sounded like the cops had Scott surrounded. I haven’t seen the inquest, but it sounds like they were not circled around him, but largely from the same direction. Unless one of the cops was directly behind him (which would mean the cops were shooting at each other as well as at the suspect), shooting Scott in the back 5 times seems at least odd.

Also, I believe one wound entered thru the armpit without going thru the arm.

“But to crucify the police for this is over the top agenda mongering.”

I’m not. I think Mosher (3 shootings in 5 years, 2 dead) needs to find other work. I don’t believe he committed a crime, but I do think he lacks SA and judgment. I also think the cops used terrible tactics.

1911s are single action guns. With the hammer down, at an absolute minimum, it would have to be pulled back to fire. And everything I’ve read says you don’t carry a 1911 with a hammer down on a round. Without seeing the inside of the gun (which the cops have and haven’t testified to, or at least it didn’t make the news reports), we KNOW he would have to pull the hammer back. If he carried it as recommended, he would have needed to remove the gun and rack the slide. Neither is something you do when someone already has a gun pointed at your chest, and there has been no testimony that Scott tried to remove the gun or rack the slide.

And when the cop testified that it was easy to shoot a gun like that (Kimber) from the holster, he was either lying or stupid. It isn’t easy to fire my revolver from that holster like that, and it is double action.


82 posted on 09/28/2010 11:42:18 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: Mr Rogers
I have several problems with your post. Here are but two:

"Remember, the physical evidence proves Scott had no intent to shoot. It was impossible for him to do so." That is absolutely untrue! I have personally fired a Kimber carry by pulling the hammer back without pulling the trigger. By releasing the hammer before reaching the full cocked position, the hammer will strike the firing pin and send a round while also flipping the holster off of the weapon to release it from the holster.

And this little piece of deception you tried:
"He was hit in the buttocks and the bullet travel up into the body. Unless Las Vegas cops are as short as they are fat..." Um, since two of the police were behind him and Mosher in front, it would be natural to drop to the ground to fire at the suspect and remove yourself from the line of fire of the officer in front.

Your deceptions are clearly fabricated to serve an agenda. Your disgusting deceits expose your pretend perspective of objectivity. At this point, I wouldn't trust a single thing you assert. You are quite clever mixing your deceits in with some facts. You ain't what you claim to be, troll.

83 posted on 09/28/2010 11:52:01 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it's nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Mr Rogers
The doctor was both supposedly giving prescriptions, and also refusing to see Scott and had nothing to do with him (”Dr. Pearce said he does not know Erik Scott, has never treated him professionally, or was a patient of his.”).

Perhaps Scott's girlfriend stole a prescription pad and Scott was writing prescriptions to himself. In any case, Scott was obtaining the drugs illegally using Dr. Pearce's prescriptions. There is no contradiction.

“Scott was carrying his weapon illegally under the influence of drugs.” Not if he had valid prescriptions. If he did not, then he still was not committing a crime punishable by death.

He had a level of drugs causing him to stumble, write incoherently, have glossy eyes, and tell someone he was messed up, therefore he was carrying a gun illegally. Had he followed the commands of the police, not immediately reached for the gun, or pointed it at the officer, he would be alive and facing justice for illegally carrying a firearm and obtaining prescriptions illegally.

“He held up his hand to a Costco employee’s head as if it was a gun.” False. He said he would protect the Costco employee if he was threatened. You make it sound like he was threatening the man he said he would protect...

He was having a confrontation with the employee about whether he could have the gun in the store. In a confrontation, a rational, friendly person does not act like he is pointing a gun at the person he says he is going to protect, especially when he is known to be armed.

“Scott immediately went for his gun when he was first contacted by the police.” No. He didn’t grab for his gun. He turned, and removed the holster with his gun in it. That is undeniable, and that is not the same as ‘going for his gun’.

Mosher testified on the first day that he touched Scott's left elbow, and Scott immediately reached for his gun. This was before Scott was facing the officer and pulled out the holster and the gun.

Agreed. Yet in reality, Scott didn’t try to attack anyone. That is a known fact. So the cop was obviously prepped to see something that wasn’t there, which would help explain why he didn’t know the gun was holstered until after he killed the man offering it. Remember, the physical evidence proves Scott had no intent to shoot. It was impossible for him to do so.

More 20/20 hindsight.

“Scott disobeyed any training he ever received as a soldier or as a CCW holder on how to disarm.” False. I was told the same sort of thing, with it being optional on handing the gun over or letting the cop remove it. Nor is a soldier trained on how to disarm. I spent 25 years in, and was trained to shoot, not to give up.

Most people I know who have received firearms training are told not to point a gun at anything unless they intend to shoot it, even if they think it is unloaded. Reaching for anything with three cops pointing their guns at you, telling you to show your hands and drop to the ground isn't in any instruction manual either. Is that what you would have done?

85 posted on 09/28/2010 12:51:26 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Half of all Americans are above average.)
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To: Mr Rogers

>>>8 - “Scott disobeyed any training he ever received as a soldier or as a CCW holder on how to disarm.”
>>False. I was told the same sort of thing, with it being optional on handing the gun over or letting the cop remove it.
>>Nor is a soldier trained on how to disarm. I spent 25 years in, and was trained to shoot, not to give up.

Indeed so; in fact the ‘request’/demand for a soldier to disarm can be grounds for “escalating the situation.”
{IE, chamber a round and reply, “Come and take it.”}


100 posted on 09/29/2010 11:04:08 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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