Cops in general would be much happier if only they had guns. I speak as someone who has cops in the family.
The majority don’t believe the average gun-carrying citizen should be allowed to carry and don’t believe they are as ‘well-trained’ as they are. In fact the typical ccw holder goes to the range more often, gets more target practice, and when they have to shoot at a criminal, are much better shots without hitting bystanders, and don’t ‘pray and spray’ like the police often do.
Categorically false, your anecdotal "evidence" notwithstanding. Polls of police officers showed that the overwhelming majority not only support the right to keep and bear arms, but also that most would ignore any orders/law that required them to confiscate weapons from law abiding citizens.
Secret Agent Man said:
>They are targeting ex-army now.
>They let the crooks keep living that carry concealed and kill the permit holder.
>I believe cops like this understand law abiding people are the real enemy they face, they will be the ones that would go after crooked cops. And that these kinds of cops will start taking them out now.
I think that may be more correct an assessment than people want to admit. There are so many conflicting laws, especially those contrary to the Constitution, that the Law-Enforcement/’justice’ System can literally make anyone into a criminal; fortunately it isn’t *quite* to the point where they can wantonly execute ‘offenders’ [such as Erik Scott] as a matter of course and w/o fear of repercussion.
However... given that Lon Horiuchi* is a free man does indicate that we are extremely close to that point.
*(the sniper that killed Mrs. Weaver thus breaking even the FBI’s *quite* permissive Rules of Engagement to consider all adult MALES as hostile/armed-and-dangerous)
Dexter Morgan said:
>And the police wonder why law-abiding citizens grow more and more hostile towards the extortionist authorities, even during routine department fundraising stops.
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>From observation, it seems that police unions are among the staunchest supporters of violating the 2nd Amendment and wish to disarm the public.
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>If they cannot accomplish this by law, then they can accomplish it by making the penalty for gun possession so severe—via public execution by cop—that people will become too afraid to exercise their right to carry. If the sentiment is that you will be shot if you carry in public, then concealed carry will cease.
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>It’s ironic that the police will execute a law-abiding citizen, without trial, but protect convicted murderers in prison for life with three square meals, cable tv, and conjugal visits.
I believe you are correct; the police are experiencing a nose-dive in public opinion/support precisely because they have been all too eager to trumpet that they “protect and serve” while enforcing laws that are contrary to the State Constitution [where they reside] and/or the Federal Constitution... and then they pull the moral equivalent of the “we were only following orders” defense that we would not accept from German military officials in the Nuremberg Trials when they say crap like “we don’t make the laws; only enforce them.”
freedomwarrior998 said:
[on the topic of law-abiding citizenry vs police]
>I guess the aliens will be coming for your brain as well?
Funny you should belittle him like that. I have a story that corroborates his supposition, if only tangentially.
I live in New Mexico, an open-carry state, and one Wednesday I went to a social gathering where I apparently made some people nervous[though they never told me directly] and I was asked by a man I respect to put the gun out in my vehicle; I acquiesced and thought that everything was taken care of.... I was wrong.
Unbeknownest to me, several of the leaders in this social group had a meeting afterward and called my National Guard unit [I was enlisted at the time], from there the story went around the rumor-mill until [on Friday] someone called the police apparently reporting that I was at my house waving my gun around.
When the police had arrived, late morning, I’d already been at a friend’s house (he had the Friday off and we were working through Gears of War 2) for several hours. I got a call then saying that the police were there and to stay put, and after a while I got a call saying to go home. When I got there the police were waiting for me, but they were calmed down [I believe it was because of the transit-time and because a police Sgt I knew from my national guard unit had gotten there before I arrived]. I spent several hours talking with the Sgt and he said that I didn’t do anything illegal.
I found out later what had happened while I was away was that the police had entered the property with their weapons-drawn and that they would not identify or state their purpose for the lady next door who questioned them as to why they were peering into her van. They asked was if I lived there [I do, it’s a set of apartments] and told her to “get back in the house” as a response to inquiring as to their presence. No warrant was ever shown to anyone, and there were children around when the police entered the property guns-drawn.
So, in that incident we see that the police WILL act on hearsay [the report was made by someone not in the area and who had seen or heard NOTHING], that they WILL enter/search private property w/o a warrant [the lady’s van at the VERY least], that they [as an organization] will act aggressively even on reports of perfectly lawful behavior... oh and that they will refuse the perfectly legitimate questioning of their intent and their identity.
My best friend growing up is now a state trooper. He was a terrible driver in high school who totaled two cars by the time he was 18. He never shot guns (like we did), except a couple of times a year when we would go pheasant hunting.
I find it extremely ironic that he now has the authority to pull people over and cite them for dangerous driving.
He had never fired a handgun before testing for the force. While he hasn’t failed yet, he admits that the only time he shoots is once a year when he has to qualify with his weapon. He has to get a 240 out of 300 points to pass (80 percent); he mentioned that his highest score was 244. He’s nervous to take the test, because he’s always so close to the cut off.
I bet most people can score 240/300 without practice. As you mentioned, most CCW holders would have much higher scores.