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And Statistics ... (War On Drugs hysteria)
National Review Online ^ | 9/26/2010 | Andrew Stuttaford

Posted on 09/27/2010 7:19:45 AM PDT by bassmaner

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To: tacticalogic

If it were merely commerce, then the military and the Pentagon would not be involved as they have been for years, drug production and sales seems to be tied to a war against Western Civilization, and America.

In fact, I think that we have tried to tell the world that drug importation into America is illegal, like DDT, or dog fur importation to America is illegal.


41 posted on 09/27/2010 1:27:31 PM PDT by ansel12 ([fear of Islam.] Once you are paralyzed by fear of Mohammedanism...you have lost the battle.)
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To: tacticalogic

I thought that I have asked you many times if you are denying “that legalizing drugs is a leftist goal, a major, very important goal for the radical left.”

You haven’t yet, have you? Are you saying that is not true?

Legalizing drugs is without question, a leftist goal, a major, very important goal for the radical left.”


42 posted on 09/27/2010 1:32:17 PM PDT by ansel12 ([fear of Islam.] Once you are paralyzed by fear of Mohammedanism...you have lost the battle.)
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To: ansel12

>The undeniable fact is that legalizing drugs is a leftist goal, a major, very important goal for the radical left.

And what exactly does that have to do with anything? Do you reflexively assume that if some leftists have a goal, it must automatically be wrong? What if the goal is “The U.S.A. should prosper”? Does this mean you knee jerk and assume the country must be brought down?

Your argument is the most pathetic example of puerile nonsense I have seen in ages.

The drug war is a gross violation of constitutional rights and a gross expansion of federal power with no regard for constitutional authority. Back when Prohibition was passed, it was understood that constitutional authority was required for just a vast expansion of federal power, so an amendment was passed.

I hate to break it to you, but sometimes even the left can recognize when the constitution is being shredded. It’s a shame you don’t care to notice.


43 posted on 09/27/2010 1:39:05 PM PDT by drbuzzard (different league)
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To: drbuzzard
"The undeniable fact is that legalizing drugs is a leftist goal, a major, very important goal for the radical left."

"And what exactly does that have to do with anything? "

When the hard left's point of view is fought for so passionately and lovingly on a conservative site, it is worth mentioning that it is a primary goal of the radical left. I think it is relevant.

44 posted on 09/27/2010 1:47:17 PM PDT by ansel12 ([fear of Islam.] Once you are paralyzed by fear of Mohammedanism...you have lost the battle.)
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To: ansel12

>When the hard left’s point of view is fought for so passionately and lovingly on a conservative site, it is worth mentioning that it is a primary goal of the radical left. I think it is relevant.

So if an avowed leftist stated that the sky was blue, you would argue the point?

Your argument is no more rational than the above. If a leftist likes chocolate, does that also mean you can’t eat a Hershey bar anymore? Good lord, this is nonsense.


45 posted on 09/27/2010 1:49:58 PM PDT by drbuzzard (different league)
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To: ansel12
It's a loaded question, designed to reduce the debate down to that one question and stifle any other discussion.

If you hand me a loaded question I'm going to do my best to unload it, take it apart and hand it back to you in pieces without pulling the trigger. If you don't want that done with them, don't hand them to me.

46 posted on 09/27/2010 2:03:42 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: ansel12
It's a loaded question, designed to reduce the debate down to that one question and stifle any other discussion.

If you hand me a loaded question I'm going to do my best to unload it, take it apart and hand it back to you in pieces without pulling the trigger. If you don't want that done with them, don't hand them to me.

47 posted on 09/27/2010 2:03:46 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: ansel12

Where does the morphine we use in our hospitals come from?


48 posted on 09/27/2010 2:06:00 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: drbuzzard

Don’t play stupid.

Legalizing drugs is a major, national, even international, widespread goal of the far left, it is driven, financed, publicized, soldiered, advanced, by the far left not just a few individual leftists, and anyone that compares the widespread leftwing movement to legalize drugs with a stray liberal saying the sky is blue, is not worth talking to.


49 posted on 09/27/2010 2:07:23 PM PDT by ansel12 ([fear of Islam.] Once you are paralyzed by fear of Mohammedanism...you have lost the battle.)
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To: tacticalogic

What is that, a kids question? Do you really want to spend time on stuff like that?


50 posted on 09/27/2010 2:08:52 PM PDT by ansel12 ([fear of Islam.] Once you are paralyzed by fear of Mohammedanism...you have lost the battle.)
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To: ansel12

>Don’t play stupid.

And how exactly am I doing that? I am point out that your arguments are puerile nonsense. Plenty of rational points have been made to point this out and in rebuttal, all you keep doing is to state the same utter nonsense. I won’t who’s playing stupid in reality?

?>Legalizing drugs is a major, national, even international, widespread goal of the far left, it is driven, financed, publicized, soldiered, advanced, by the far left not just a few individual leftists, and anyone that compares the widespread leftwing movement to legalize drugs with a stray liberal saying the sky is blue, is not worth talking to.

Again, I say who the hell cares who supports something if it happens to be right? What do I have to do to get that simple point through to you. Just because every leftist on the planets says the sky is blue does not change its color to purple.


51 posted on 09/27/2010 2:13:26 PM PDT by drbuzzard (different league)
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To: ansel12
What kind of games are you playing? The article is about the claims Bennet is making about marijuana use and the statistics he's using to do it. You're talking about opium in Afghanistan.

Apparently I'm supposed to agree that some of our foreign enemies are making money selling opium and then suddenly what Bennet is saying will be right.

52 posted on 09/27/2010 2:22:37 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: drbuzzard
"Legalizing drugs is a major, national, even international, widespread goal of the far left, it is driven, financed, publicized, soldiered, advanced, by the far left not just a few individual leftists, and anyone that compares the widespread leftwing movement to legalize drugs with a stray liberal saying the sky is blue, is not worth talking to."

"Again, I say who the hell cares who supports something if it happens to be right? What do I have to do to get that simple point through to you. Just because every leftist on the planets says the sky is blue does not change its color to purple."

Your point was perfectly clear that time, but pointing out that pushing drug legalization into modern American culuture is a major goal of, and is primarily driven by the left is still unavoidable.

Let me ask you, do you also agree with the left's view on homosexual issues like "marriage"?

53 posted on 09/27/2010 2:27:07 PM PDT by ansel12 ([fear of Islam.] Once you are paralyzed by fear of Mohammedanism...you have lost the battle.)
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To: tacticalogic

Look at the second sentence of the article, look at the thread title, read the article, this is not limited to only Hashish and Marijuana leaf. The writer threw out a large net.


54 posted on 09/27/2010 2:36:53 PM PDT by ansel12 ([fear of Islam.] Once you are paralyzed by fear of Mohammedanism...you have lost the battle.)
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To: ansel12
Look at the second sentence of the article, look at the thread title, read the article, this is not limited to only Hashish and Marijuana leaf. The writer threw out a large net.

Do the autor's opinions on the war in Afghanistan, or your opinion of opium trade alter the facts of the statistical data presented in any way?

55 posted on 09/27/2010 2:55:34 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic

Nothing changes the fact that leftists want drugs legalized, it is something that the left hammers on constantly, they are obsessed with it, they cannot let it goal.

I have to assume that legalized drugs will help them attain their ultimate goals easier.


56 posted on 09/27/2010 3:22:48 PM PDT by ansel12 ([fear of Islam.] Once you are paralyzed by fear of Mohammedanism...you have lost the battle.)
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Nothing changes the fact of gravity either, but that doesn't alter or refute the factcual data of the article.

Them being wrong doesn't make him right. They can both be wrong. You can repeat that same mantra ten thousand times and it won't get you any closer to figuring out if what Bennet is saying is right or not, so in the context of this article it's useless.

57 posted on 09/27/2010 3:32:41 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: ansel12

> Your point was perfectly clear that time, but pointing out that pushing drug legalization into modern American culuture is a major goal of, and is primarily driven by the left is still unavoidable.

Again, that doesn’t matter at all. If they are right on an issue for a change, I welcome it.

For example, Christopher Hitchens was in favor of the Iraq war and is a strong foe of Islamic extremists. He is also a trotskyite leftist. I was happy to welcome his commentary in relevance to the causes in which we are aligned, while at the same time I appreciated that his pursuit of Kissenger is a wasteful folly.

>Let me ask you, do you also agree with the left’s view on homosexual issues like “marriage”?

No, but it is also completely irrelevant.


58 posted on 09/27/2010 3:35:10 PM PDT by drbuzzard (different league)
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To: ansel12

>I have to assume that legalized drugs will help them attain their ultimate goals easier.

If you believe that, then explain how. If you cannot come up with a rational argument as to why such a thing would be the case, you should re-examine your premises.


59 posted on 09/27/2010 3:37:27 PM PDT by drbuzzard (different league)
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To: drbuzzard; tacticalogic

I have spent enough time on this left wing stuff, I need to go talk to some freepers that support conservative causes.

Vote conservative.


60 posted on 09/27/2010 3:45:19 PM PDT by ansel12 ([fear of Islam.] Once you are paralyzed by fear of Mohammedanism...you have lost the battle.)
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