“Really? How nice that you are sinless.”
I don’t understand it. Help me understand is all I’m trying to say.
You claim to speak for all people who worked and got their degrees, when you don’t. You speak for yourself, and yourself only.
“No I don’t. That’s just an attempt to “win” the argument by discrediting your opponent, without discussing the issue on its merits.”
Your argument, as I understand it is that you are unimpressed by this woman’s achievements. That’s not an argument based on merit, or facts, but on emotion. I am trying to understand why you feel that way.
“Or is it impressive because she’s a woman?”
Have I suggested that why I find it impressive is because she is a woman? Hardly. I find it impressive because she made something of herself, when many in identical situations have failed. That is all.
“the huge waste of human capital represented by affirmative action,”
Ahh, there we go. That’s what I was looking for. She had good grades. I agree with you about affirmative action, but we aren’t talking about someone who didn’t have the marks to get in. We are talking about someone who did work hard, earned the grades, and earned a scholarship to Harvard.
That’s right, she EARNED the scholarship.
“Those that were intelligent and talented succeeded on their own”
As this woman did.
“it was precisely those that were not who were affirmative-actioned into slots they could never have earned their way into.”
Clearly this woman succeeded, so she was cut out for Harvard. That is why I said I was impressed by her achievement in graduating from Harvard. I see nothing to indicate affirmative action is the reason why she was given a slot.
Like yourself, I paid my way through. Wasn’t easy had to quit and go back and finish. Is there going to be an article writing about me and how cool I am? No, and I’m happy that there won’t be. I’m just an ordinary college graduate, and quite happy with that tyvm.
“I don’t understand it. Help me understand is all I’m trying to say.”
All right. It’s either a figment of your imagination, or a fabrication cooked up for the purpose of slurring someone for disagreeing with you.
“You claim to speak for all people who worked and got their degrees, when you don’t.”
So, outright lies are not beneath you. I made no such claim nor implication.
“I am trying to understand why you feel that way.”
No, you’re just slinging mud. I’ve explained my opinion at some length. You’d understand my position if you had any interest in doing so.
“She had good grades.”
If she had good grades and high scores on the entrance exams, universities would have been trampling each other to get to her first. Why weren’t they?
“and earned a scholarship to Harvard.”
She didn’t earn a scholarship with grades. She earned it by (a) being the perfect liberal cliché, and (b) writing an essay. By the way, what was her high school GPA?
“As this woman did.”
No, she didn’t. She got admitted to and graduated from Harvard through the good graces and financial support of the NY Slimes.
“Clearly this woman succeeded, so she was cut out for Harvard.”
Are you under the impression that Harvard is academically rigorous?
“I see nothing to indicate affirmative action is the reason why she was given a slot.”
Not statutory, nor regulatory. She got her scholarship through the voluntary affirmative action of liberal putzes at the Slimes. If she’d been a man, they wouldn’t have given her the time of day.
“Like yourself, I paid my way through. Wasn’t easy had to quit and go back and finish. Is there going to be an article writing about me and how cool I am? No, and I’m happy that there won’t be. I’m just an ordinary college graduate, and quite happy with that tyvm.”
And you don’t see the wrong-headedness in lionizing this person, who got a free ride through Harvard? They *ought* to be writing an article about you, and men like you. They ought to be writing an article about the fact that men are increasingly crowded out of universities.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/fashion/07campus.html
http://www.thecampusslate.com/the-new-math-on-campus-1.1277237#4
Good night.