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To: WhatNot
*******ok, thanks for the clarification, but I still find it extremely deceptive for atheists to use designer terminology, to try and convince people that there is no designer, and they do it very consistently.********

There are quite a few people here calling Hawking an "atheist", when all he is claiming is that the Universe could have sprung into existence without the help of a "Creator" or a "God". The physics back him up, and his claim does not necessarily make him an atheist.

If Hawking claimed that ice could be created from water without the hand of a "creator", would that necessarily make him an atheist? Natural phase changes happen all of the time ... it is proven science, yet nobody claims that every ice cube has to be created by God individually. If he created the physics laws that made the ice cube able to create itself, then where is the problem? If God created a multitude of potential universes which could then follow the proven and universal laws of physics and pop into existence with any further help, then that is the same argument as that of the lowly ice cube. Itis all just physics.

91 posted on 09/02/2010 5:16:28 PM PDT by Republican Extremist
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To: Republican Extremist

Well then where did physics come from?

That’s why saying it’s all just physics doesn’t cut it.


92 posted on 09/02/2010 5:24:18 PM PDT by Yardstick
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Perhaps he is some sort of “Hyper” or super-agnostic, believing that God is more than just uninvolved in the day to day affairs of people, but also uninvolved in anything, a by-stander watching the “big-bang” just happen, like we might stand in awe watching a fireworks spectacle.


96 posted on 09/02/2010 5:29:25 PM PDT by WhatNot (God Bless our troops, especially the snipers.)
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To: Republican Extremist

Here’s what I think it comes down to: a universe without God is an absurdity, and a universe with God is a mystery. It’s hard for our intellects to get comfortable with either, but at least the latter allows for the possibility of meaning and rationality and true personhood.


102 posted on 09/02/2010 5:36:24 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Republican Extremist

“If Hawking claimed that ice could be created from water without the hand of a “creator”, would that necessarily make him an atheist?”

Yes.


124 posted on 09/02/2010 7:24:09 PM PDT by FreeDeerHawk
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