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Hi-Point .45 ACP Carbine: Are Handgun Caliber Rifles the New Home Defense Shotgun?
The Truth About Guns ^ | 10 August, 2010 | Robert Farago

Posted on 08/11/2010 5:10:45 AM PDT by marktwain

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To: marktwain

If people are worried about recoil—as the article suggests—then that probably means they aren’t that handy or rookies with firearms anyway. With an intruder, they’re gonna be to nervous to “take a bead on someone” with a smoke stick shooting a .45ACP. They probably won’t have much target discipline—which is why a shotgun is the original point and click—just point it in the general direction and you’re bound to hit.


61 posted on 08/11/2010 5:57:18 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: Uncle Ike

Agree.


62 posted on 08/11/2010 5:58:43 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (The upcoming election is the most important in our lifetimes!!! BE THERE!!!!!!!)
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To: mountainlion

Get a big can or two of Bear Spray. Effective and a lot less messy to clean up.


63 posted on 08/11/2010 5:58:51 AM PDT by dblshot (Insanity - electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: Paladin2
I've got a Rossi in 45 Long Colt with 14 rds in the tube, it's used primarily for hog hunting but serves well for home defense.
64 posted on 08/11/2010 6:00:18 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Thats easy, off the shelf sound recorders can be bought almost anywhere, add an amplifier and a speaker, connect to a proximity yard light sensor.

Another good sound is the one that you hear before a landmine goes off.


65 posted on 08/11/2010 6:00:49 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: P8riot

Agreed.

The only thing that racking does is to convince others, that might be with the initial target is that you have just said “NEXT?” and maybe they will clear out.


66 posted on 08/11/2010 6:01:09 AM PDT by Mr. Jazzy ("I AM JIM THOMPSON and moderates make me PUKE!!!")
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To: mountainlion

Depends on the bear. If it is a nominally sized black bear and the shot is well placed a 45Colt will do nicely. Now large (>350#) blacks, grizzlies, and browns are a different story.


67 posted on 08/11/2010 6:01:41 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.....Eagle Scout since Sep 9, 1970)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

” Intruder hears sound, cannot locate the source, loses confidence in his ability to control the tactical situation, departs. “

Exactly —

In a ‘home defense’ situation, you’re most likely to encounter sneak-thieves, intent on taking your possessions undetected...

Unless your desired intent is to have a firefight in your home, then driving them off is the preferable outcome...


68 posted on 08/11/2010 6:02:07 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: shag377

“For home defense, a scatter gun is perfect, not to mention the sound of a shucked shell will scare a good number of people off in no time”.

To each his own. But if one’s home is invaded, the invaders should be carried out and not run away scared to come back another dayQ


69 posted on 08/11/2010 6:02:32 AM PDT by kenmcg
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To: P8riot

I tend to agree. Those outside would hear that sound several times in quick succession.

Benelli M4 - the CWIS of home defense weapons!


70 posted on 08/11/2010 6:03:07 AM PDT by catman67
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To: Uncle Ike
Gotta disagree, here — there’s no more intimidating sound, from man or nature, than the distinctive ‘racking’ of a pump-action shotgun...

Makes it much more likely to be able to defuse a situation without having to fire a shot....

I've seen this illogical reasoning posted many times and couldn't disagree more.

You should never pull a weapon unless you intend to use it to protect your life, which to me, means shooting the bad guy in the 10 ring.

I would never give an intruder any idea of my position, nor any idea that my weapon was not ready to be fired.

Aim and fire, no sound, no warning and hopefully, he'll never even hear the shot that killed him.

Situation defused.

71 posted on 08/11/2010 6:05:04 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: P8riot
45 is OK in the house an 12ga would be brutal. Outside Ruger Super Redhawk 44 magnum or 458 Magnum. A well placed 45 after being startled out of sleep in the dark might be difficult.
72 posted on 08/11/2010 6:05:45 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: central_va

Taurus Judge, one of the big gun ‘crazes’ going on now.


73 posted on 08/11/2010 6:07:01 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Dusty Road

That certainly looks nice.

74 posted on 08/11/2010 6:07:14 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: shag377
The first, last and only warning a home intruder should receive is a face full of bright light as you are squeezing the trigger.

Relying on cycling a pump shotgun action to act as a deterrent is the height of foolishness. That means you've either been closing on the intruder with a weapon out of battery or you've dumped one of your limited rounds on the floor where it will do no good. Both actions that leave you at an extreme disadvantage in a firefight.

And that doesn't even get into the whole "leaving cover and exposing yourself to extreme danger while attempting to find the thug."

Once someone has entered your home, they have declared their willingness to do serious bodily harm to you, your only options are retreat, surrender or replying with immediate and overwhelming force.

75 posted on 08/11/2010 6:08:07 AM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: catman67

Another good deterrent is to have an innocuous harmless looking box attached at different places in your house, at the entry points, above windows, on the ceilings.

All they are is a battery box in a vague shape, has a lithium 3 volt battery, a slow flasher and a red LED.

An unidentifiable object will make even a seasoned veteran take pause much like a field mouse spooking an elephant, to a person be it a bad person or something else its an unknown factor, it could be a sensor, could be a claymore, could be an infrared camera.

Fake cameras mounted all around a property have been shown to dramatically reduce incursions. Its easy and affordable to by camouflaged predator or wild game infrared cameras from places like Cabelas, at least get it in a picture, unless you have a backhoe....


76 posted on 08/11/2010 6:10:30 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: Uncle Ike

Why not? The Army stores their weapons with the actions closed (in battery), it seems to work for them. Storing weapons with the actions open keeps operating springs compressed on semi-autos for no good reason. Keeping a self defense weapon ready to go, as in round in the chamber and safety on is the only way I would store my go-to weapon.


77 posted on 08/11/2010 6:12:26 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: catman67

I’d like an M4 but both of my M1s (H&K versions) have been flawless since the day I bought them (new), and have seen no need for anything to replace them, but then again “need” is a subjective term, specially when you are talking about firearms.


78 posted on 08/11/2010 6:16:01 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.....Eagle Scout since Sep 9, 1970)
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To: Eye of Unk
Fake cameras mounted all around a property have been shown to dramatically reduce incursions.

A friend of mine put a few fake cameras around his swimming pool and found out that his daughters boyfriends had suddenly become more well behaved when they came over for a swim.

79 posted on 08/11/2010 6:20:14 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.....Eagle Scout since Sep 9, 1970)
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To: edpc

“I view it as a higher capacity PF-45 Liberator.....use it once and get an upgrade from the opponent.”

I like that view!


80 posted on 08/11/2010 6:20:44 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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