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To: solosmoke
1. You will not find a credible expert that is willing to say a breed of dog is responsible for all of this

2. I don’t know of anyone who is saying that is NOT the case.

Fascinating.

94 posted on 08/10/2010 7:10:47 AM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: Mojave

“1. You will not find a credible expert that is willing to say a breed of dog is responsible for all of this”<<<<<<<<<

Find one expert that says it’s all the pit bull breed’s fault. The other quote was dealing with YOUR question, not my assertion. You are intentionally trying to make this into something else to make it look like you are correct, just like those poor souls over at dogsbite. I am absolutely certain that if you had done a lick of research on this, instead of relying on your lawyer to feed you info, you would see how wrong you are. Here was your question, which changed to this:

“What “credible expert” claims that the number of fatalities in America isn’t disproportional to that breed?”

Here was your original question, in response to my saying that the Merritt Clifton study has been scoffed at and dismissed:

“I specifically said to beware of because experts have dismissed it as being biased (solosmoke)

Again, not in the post I was replying to. By the way, who are these unnamed experts? (you)”<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

That’s what I was answering. Those experts whose names I took the time to look up for you all have had something to say on this subject, and all of them have education and experience in the exact fields that are related to the issue. They are not editors (bad ones at that) that choose to do an un-scientific compilation of cherry-picked dog attacks and then call it a study. They are the real deal.

“2. I don’t know of anyone who is saying that is NOT the case.”<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

This quote was in reference to the above question, re-quoted here:

“What “credible expert” claims that the number of fatalities in America isn’t disproportional to that breed?”<<<

Which is NOT the same thing as saying pit bulls as a breed are to blame for fatalities. The authors of the CDC study and the other one on your link (JAVMA) did say that it appears to be a breed specific issue, but WENT ON TO SAY :

“Although the fatality data are concerning, one must
broaden the context to consider both fatal and nonfatal
bites when deciding on a course of action. Nonfatal dog
bites continue to be a public health problem in the
United States. Although this and prior reports1-3 document
more than 330 DBRF during a 20-year period,
these tragedies represent only the most severe manifestation
of the problem. In 1986, nonfatal dog bites resulted
in an estimated 585,000 injuries that required medical
attention or restricted activity.8 By 1994, an estimated
4.7 million people (1.8% of the US population) sustained
a dog bite; of these, approximately 800,000 (0.3%
of the US population) sought medical care for the bite
(332,000 in emergency departments), and 6,000 were
hospitalized.9-11 This 36% increase in medically attended
bites from 1986 to 1994 draws attention to the need for
an effective response, including dog bite prevention programs.
Because (1) fatal bites constitute less than
0.00001% of all dog bites annually, (2) fatal bites have
remained relatively constant over time, whereas nonfatal
bites have been increasing, and (3) fatal bites are rare at
the usual political level where bite regulations are promulgated
and enforced, we believe that fatal bites should
not be the primary factor driving public policy regarding
dog bite prevention.
Several interacting factors affect a dog’s propensity
to bite, including heredity, sex, early experience,
socialization and training, health (medical and behavioral),
reproductive status, quality of ownership and
supervision, and victim behavior.”<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<JAVMA 2000;217:836-840.

Why don’t you just read the studies on there? The authors did not intend for some lawyer or some crazy yahoo to come along and preferentially paraphrase it! There’s a reason each goes on for pages, and that’s because to understand the issue, you have to be willing to read all the details. You can’t expect to take one or two quotes out of the whole thing and understand the entirety of it.


95 posted on 08/10/2010 7:43:28 AM PDT by solosmoke
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