To: Old Teufel Hunden
You talked of Jefferson being against the tarriffs. That has nothing to do with whether he thought the New England States should be able to secede over this.
Who ever said anything about New England? Jefferson was talking about Virginia, and he definitely said that when conditions got bad enough to justify secession - "when we must make a choice, there can be no hesitation." I don't believe I've referred to that quote in the context of any other state but Virginia.
As with your last post, it would seem that you have developed a bad habit of placing your own words into the mouth of others to subsequently attack them. Such tactics suggest either carelessness or willful dishonesty.
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08/10/2010 6:17:59 AM PDT by
conimbricenses
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To: conimbricenses
"Who ever said anything about New England? Jefferson was talking about Virginia,"
I did. In the original post that you were responding to. Jefferson did not feel that the tarriff being suffered on the New England states was enough to justify secession while he was President. Again, you are lacking in reading comprehension and taking this discussion somewhere way past it's original purpose. Yes, I agree with Jefferson that tarriffs are burdensome and should not be imposed in most cases. However, it has nothing to do with whether tarriffs arise to the point of states wanting to secede.
Since you wanted to take this way off point. I will refocus by restating my original post that got this off on a tangent. Because of how Jefferson reacted during the New England crisis during his Presidency, I doubt he would have felt that tarrifs (one of the south's justifications for secession) rose to the level for a reason to secede. I also doubt he would have felt that not extending slavery to the new states and territories would rise to that level also.
I doubt you will see this logic because you are wrapped up in this notion of the ante bellum south could do no wrong. And I suspect that if the reconquistas in LaRaza today could get Texas, Arizona, New Mexico and California to secede from the union and become part of Mexico you would have no problems with this right? You also would have no problems with the Muslims taking over enough of Michighan to force a vote to secede and get it passed right? I'm sure you are furiously campaigning for the Basques in Spain to have their rights to break away from Spain and start a new country.
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