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Big Tech Problem as Mainframes Outlast Workforce–BusinessWeek [plus Dijkstra on IBM]
pbokelly.blogspot.com ^ | Tuesday, August 03, 2010 | Peter

Posted on 08/03/2010 8:13:42 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: DManA

The thing is big changes don’t happen all at once. They happen slowly and it’s less expensive and quicker to simply modify the legacy system.


41 posted on 08/03/2010 9:46:51 AM PDT by FourPeas (God Save America)
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To: RobRoy

Sounds ideal. I wish you success!


42 posted on 08/03/2010 9:48:15 AM PDT by FourPeas (God Save America)
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To: ShadowAce

Maybe insurance companies too?


43 posted on 08/03/2010 9:48:34 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA
Ehh--they're more private sector than utilities are. Also, the regulations tend to change more often, and the customer base is much less.

Banks, though, are also good candidates. Credit card companies. Massive amounts of customers.

44 posted on 08/03/2010 9:51:02 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Today it is z10:

It is Green !


45 posted on 08/03/2010 9:55:02 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: maine yankee
Started out on a UNIVAC 1283 in 1972.

Wondering here now if the Space Shuttle Mission Simulator at Johnson Space Center still runs on UNIVACs and Perkin Elmer 3250's(???)

46 posted on 08/03/2010 9:56:35 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: I am Richard Brandon

A good friend describes sitting in meetings with people who have no idea why computers work they way they do. He tries to describe the underlying causes and solving the real problem. The answer from high-level management is always that the kludge is quicker, less expensive, and easier to understand and therefore the chosen method. When the whole thing falls apart, it’s The Old Guys who come in and fix the problem, and therefore garner the blame for the failure. Cynical? Nah.


47 posted on 08/03/2010 9:57:12 AM PDT by FourPeas (God Save America)
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To: Hardraade

We just got in the latest from Big Blue: the Z10. It’s not awfully big and is actually smaller than our Z9 was. It takes up about 1.5 floor tiles (~3 ft) in width and 3.5 (~7 ft) in length. It’s a behemoth at 7 ft tall, and our nightly processing for one hospital campus went from over 2.5 hours to less than 30 minutes. It’s a workhorse.

As far as the technology, this is all becoming available on the “WinTel” side of the house with clustering technologies and gigabit LANs/MANs. There are a lot of problems on the software side with that equipment, however, and that’s where the mainframe shines: virtually bulletproof OS and seemingly infinite processing power.


48 posted on 08/03/2010 10:07:07 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Hardraade

We just got in the latest from Big Blue: the Z10. It’s not awfully big and is actually smaller than our Z9 was. It takes up about 1.5 floor tiles (~3 ft) in width and 3.5 (~7 ft) in length. It’s a behemoth at 7 ft tall, and our nightly processing for one hospital campus went from over 2.5 hours to less than 30 minutes. It’s a workhorse.

As far as the technology, this is all becoming available on the “WinTel” side of the house with clustering technologies and gigabit LANs/MANs. There are a lot of problems on the software side with that equipment, however, and that’s where the mainframe shines: virtually bulletproof OS and seemingly infinite processing power.


49 posted on 08/03/2010 10:07:19 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: dfwgator

ROFL!


50 posted on 08/03/2010 10:20:22 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: FourPeas

Yes indeed....


51 posted on 08/03/2010 10:24:28 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Looks good,...still looks like Big iron...which is good.


52 posted on 08/03/2010 10:25:36 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Nick Danger

SVC 57


53 posted on 08/03/2010 11:37:01 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Moose4
Only now are server clusters even getting close to the data throughput speed and bulletproof reliability.

Only you can still cluster mainframes. Use a parallel sysplex in datacenter and most applications won't even hiccup if one server goes down, or you can sysplex 32 systems over 120 miles apart.

I like commodity hardware clusters. I really do. They're relatively cheap and give good performance and reliability. But they will never, ever be able to completely take the place of mainframes.

54 posted on 08/03/2010 11:41:53 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
No-mainframe-ever-blue-screened-or-hosted-Islamist-chatrooms ping.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

55 posted on 08/03/2010 12:04:56 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: rarestia

Yeah, everything shrinks of course. Last I was involved with mainframes was around 1989, linking together SNA based stuff with minis. Those guys had a load of IBM’s and a couple of Amdahls as backup.


56 posted on 08/03/2010 12:24:25 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: RobRoy
“work remote”

Does this mean “easily offshored”?

57 posted on 08/03/2010 12:28:06 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: bluecollarman
Your picture brings back memories for me, thanks for posting it.

When I got out of the army in 1967, I took a very low paying job at a major insurance company in Chicago. I started out as a ‘control clerk’ setting up jobs to run on the computers and them moved into operations where we had an IBM 705 computer as well a 1401, 1410, 360/50 and a 360/65.

I worked my way up into operations and then into programming. When I retired back in 2000 after an auto accident, I owned my own consulting company.

I never went college, entering the Army shortly after graduation from high school and everything I learned, I did on my own from experimenting and personal reading and OJT (On the Job Training). During my time in operations, I started learning 1401 autocoder and wrote a few simply programs for our 1401.

We had an IBM 360/30 which ran MCC (Multiple Compatability Control) which used a ‘load mode’ tape of 1401 programs which it was able to retrieve programs from to run them under 1401 compatability on the 360/30.

We couldn't use that ‘lode mode’ tape on our 360.50 even though it was able to run 1401 programs in compatability mode as well. We had to load each 1401 program from cards if we wanted to run them on that machine.

I wrote a simple 1401 program which we loaded into that machine which could read the load mode tape and then execute those programs on the 360/40 bringing them in from tape rather than from cards.

From operations, I went into programming working my way up from trainee to programmer, to programmer analyst, through systems specialist and finally to systems engineer.

Those days are long gone where someone could come in with no knowledge or experience and work their way to the top of the career field. Today, that only happens in new fields with new equipment where there is no readily available trained workforce available for hire.

I remember one company where they hired a new college graduate with a degree in computer science to work as a ‘Systems Analyst’. They had to send that person to a two year school to learn basic COBOL and IBM DB/DC programming before they could even use her. I never did see her do anything, she was always ‘away at school’.

58 posted on 08/03/2010 12:29:19 PM PDT by dglang
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To: Hardraade
Many of the early Mainframes were very large. I worked at a company which had an IBM 705 computer which used vacuum tubes rather than transistors for memory. We couldn't stand too close to the processor or memory banks without risking sunburn from the glow of the tubes.

That machine was huge and they has several massive air conditioning units blowing directly into it to try to keep it cool.

One day ti caught fire anyway due to how hot it always was.

59 posted on 08/03/2010 12:33:34 PM PDT by dglang
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To: Nick Danger

IEFBR14


60 posted on 08/03/2010 12:38:50 PM PDT by dglang
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