Yet another off topic argument but I will play along for the moment. You didn't mention three legal systems and lawyers generally are not historians. Regardless, if you want to waste your time on argument that isn't germane to the issue at hand you should look up what "chattel" actually means and show how under Jewish law children were considered disposable property and then further explain why, if they were in fact disposable property, why so much care, attention and affection was placed on children by Jews. Then look up Roman law. Roman slavery was a much more complicated system then chattel slavery, and while Romans could in fact sell their children into slavery, they were not considered chattel.
Before trying to defend that one, consider what Lot told the riotous crowd wanting him to turn over some strangers.
I will not have a discussion with you concerning the bible. In America parents are not allowed to legally prostitute their children and they cannot arrange marriages. Parents can, at least in theory, forbid their children from seeing someone they find undesirable but they cannot legally force their children to have sex. None of this should have to be explained to any American adult with a high school education. In the western culture forced arranged marriages were never the norm although parents did try to do what they could minus force. Parents still do. What barbaric cultures around the world have done and are doing is beyond the scope of this conversation. The average age of marriage in western cultures has been around 25 for most of recorded history. Exception don't prove any point. I think the lowest average in America was 21 in the early 1800's.
The only failure in our current child protective services system if a failure to aggressively prosecute child molesters. Your constantly stated desire to get rid of age of consent laws would remove this as an option and only make the problem worse.
“The only failure in our current child protective services system if a failure to aggressively prosecute child molesters.”
Durus, I simply can’t and won’t deal with your persistent denial of the systemic failure of child protective services in general, and Florida in specific.
I wish those goobers in all those gooberment agency jobs we pay for at such cost were effective, but they are not.
I have come to the conclusion further effort is fruitless. Your faith in bureaucrats being able to achieve what no other socialist system has accomplished is hardly something I share or understand.
I simply will not respond to any further historically wrong whopper of yours such as the following from your post #202:
“The average age of marriage in western cultures has been around 25 for most of recorded history. Exception don’t prove any point. I think the lowest average in America was 21 in the early 1800’s.”
Marriages occurred far earlier than your revanchist “history” claims.
Credible post result from a researched premise, not what you want history to have been. True for marriage ages in ages past, and true of the parent’s ownership of the children.
It has been interesting, but has become fruitless.
Consider premise revision.