Wow.
First off, as Wagglebee pointed out “I guess you didn’t realize that crimes such as rape and homosexuality were CAPITAL CRIMES when our Founding Fathers were around.”
There is little to zero hope of rehabilitation for a rapists in our system. And child molestors (IIRC) have a KNOWN recitivism rate of 75%.
Glades, while I can clearly relate to a lot of the feelings you are having, I would ask, “What is your solution?” Increasing Government intervention, in my opinion, has done little—to nothing—to curb the acts you are describing, but it probably has raised community awareness.
The problem is, that, if family’s all functioned the way you’d like them to (Meaning socializing children, and caring for them without harming them), then we’d have no difference of opinion, I think. The problem is that families have dropped the ball, and that Government has picked it up, and then some.
I agree with the family picking that ball back up, I think you’re making an argument that is faith based (which i can understand), but which won’t change a lot of minds. Because the fact is, that people will abuse children, but that doesn’t mean we don’t strive to end it. If you mean that the FEDEAL government should keep it’s noses out of the family, I can agree. I think state and local government should be able to make laws with consent of the governed.
We all want government out of our lives, but you forget that are freedom seeking constitution, as Washington said, can only govern a moral people. If people were moral, government intervention wouldn’t be necessary, and this point would be moot.
I don’t have a definitive solution for you (other than the Ideal of everyone living by perfect Christian values, probably not gonna happen), because I’m just an imperfect person myself. But I do think we should come up with ideas of how to implement better standards of government in the home. After all, we have to define SOMEWHERE what we find acceptable. Many cultures teach female circumcision and the like. Are you willing to accept such atrocities based on cultural relativism, if they come to the U.S.? The Kukukuku people of New guinea believe the men have to rape boys in order to get them to grow up. Is that acceptable if they lived in the U.S.? NO, IT IS NOT.
So we have to draw the line somewhere. I draw the line for these types of things at the State level, with State Constitutions. States decide what they’re going to do, but I don’t think the FedGov has any say in this. But to get rid of all Government in this area, as you said, is probably not going to work in a non-perfect world, and it certainly isn’t going to function with a non-moral people we both know exist today. The problem is, that not everyone agrees with you, and we’ll always (probably) be on the other side of a government which is run by amoral people (ie. Homeschooling is abuse, whatever). There will be people on both sides, and they will not agree. I would err on the side of less government indoctrination, but a good Criminal Justice System requires good laws, and moral judges.
If we can agree on the problem, we can work towards a solution. But no government probably won’t work. And I feel we agree about the problem.
I simply must get back to writing a proposal due all too soon, so this must be more truncated that I would like.
As to Muslim beliefs, Islam Delenda Est - because they will force us to. Likewise for Stone Age belief systems in general, be they New Guinea or the stone age cannibal cult of MesoAmerican Azitlan nutters.
Culture counts, most importantly American culture. America is truly an exception to the sad history of man, and the preservation of the American Republic must be our central duty.
You are totally correct about a moral people being the only people capable of making the American Republic work. However, Liberals have given us a few generations of irresponsible parasites. What now?
My arguments were probably more based upon the writings of the Founders and evolutionarily acquired behavioral predispositions than a particular faith. Judeo-Christianity did however, devise the last six of the Ten Commandments. A more concise societal rule book has yet to be written. Belief in G*d id not essential to observation of these Commandments.
In earlier posts, and very late in this thread, I did suggest a modification to Age of Consent Law which I hope may better balance Rights of all involved.
Thanks for all the interest in this thread, and the issues it raised.
Back to the proposal.