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To: GladesGuru
Sorry, but again you confuse questioning the factual basis of the “damage” with my being a female pedophile apologist.

No. What I have said repeatedly is that damage does not have to be determined before agreeing with the concept of informed consent. That without informed consent laws pedophiles are given cover for their actions. If you advocate getting rid of age of consent laws then you are supporting pedophiles. That you think Janet Reno should have been prosecuted simply means that you are a hypocritical female pedophile apologist. If there were no age of consent laws and a parent discovered a 50 year old having sex with their 8 year old child what would their recourse be? It's not like they could call the police as the person wouldn't be breaking the law. A child being molested by their parent? If laws of consent are on the chopping block why not incest laws? Who are you to say what is right and wrong. Isn't that the parents decision?

"My previous question remains unanswered. Should the parents or the state be the final authority as to when a child is to have sex, and with whom?

Parents should never be able to determine with whom their child will have sex. Only adults (as determined by your individual state) can legally have sex as only they are able to make informed decisions. There are exceptions made for parents to be able to allow their children to marry at a younger age then the age of consent typically. This is the only legal way that "children" (but still above a legally mandated age) could have sex. In your state children could be married at 16. This provides the exemption for parents that you claimed was the only thing you wanted.

I asked this question in this form because under western law, from Moses through Jesus time, including the Roman period, the child was legally the chattel of the father.

I disagree with your claim. Children were never considered slave or property but a grave responsibility.

In your answer to what should be done is that child molestation should be made a capital crime.

162 posted on 08/03/2010 1:43:40 PM PDT by Durus (The People have abdicated our duties and anxiously hopes for just two things, "Bread and Circuses")
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To: Durus

“If laws of consent are on the chopping block why not incest laws?”

Has it occurred to you that there are genetic reason for incest laws? Regardless of any religious or cultural beliefs, incest does produce inferior offspring.

Long ago, this was known, and the incest taboo was created because of that realization. Incest is bad for the gene poll of the community. Hard fact, one could even call it “hard data”, too - assuming the use of those terms doesn’t cause more hyperventilation.


185 posted on 08/03/2010 5:21:43 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Durus

“I asked this question in this form because under western law, from Moses through Jesus time, including the Roman period, the child was legally the chattel of the father.

I disagree with your claim. Children were never considered slave or property but a grave responsibility.”

Verify what I posted with any good lawyer familiar with those three legal systems.

Next, we come to:
“ “My previous question remains unanswered. Should the parents or the state be the final authority as to when a child is to have sex, and with whom?

Parents should never be able to determine with whom their child will have sex.”

Before trying to defend that one, consider what Lot told the riotous crowd wanting him to turn over some strangers.

Consider that until recently, parents did arrange marriages throughout most of the world. In many places they still do. However, given that I support American Exceptionalism, American practices seem to me to be the most important to this discussion.

Perhaps the confusion comes from my not having used a negative as the example. When a parent can not approve of a marriage, that parent exercises a negative choice over the child’s sex life and choice of partner.

In an earlier post, I gave a site with dealing with records of early American age of consent, marriage, and divorce among those 14 and younger.

But, again, may I suggest more effort be devoted to finding an alternative to the failed child protective system we now have in place?


187 posted on 08/03/2010 5:34:42 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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