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To: GQuagmire

“Ack! 30 years hard labor.....”

Agreed, but the boy deserves the sentence for bad taste!

OK, maybe just a lecture from the Court, followed by parental punishment as they see fit.

However, without resort to soft science?Liberoid platitutdes, can any FReeper point me to real hard data showing actual damages to a young male getting an early introduction to sex?

Given that females tend to imprint on their first sex partners, I understand parental/religious/societal regulation of female sexual exploration.

My question is about hard data (NO PUN intended, Liberal!) regarding demonstrated damage to the male in the same age group, so specific references would be appreciated.


11 posted on 08/02/2010 7:44:50 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: GladesGuru

I’m sorry are you asking for data to prove that non-consensual sex with a minor boy is damaging? How about this...it’s child molestation BY LAW! Is that science too hard for you?


16 posted on 08/02/2010 7:52:34 AM PDT by Durus (The People have abdicated our duties and anxiously hopes for just two things, "Bread and Circuses")
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To: GladesGuru
...can any FReeper point me to real hard data showing actual damages to a young male getting an early introduction to sex?

You mean besides the risk for STDs, unplanned pregnancy, moral implications, future relationship problems, trust issues, and not being able to tell your wife that she was your first and last?
32 posted on 08/02/2010 3:05:54 PM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: GladesGuru
I can give an anecdotal example.

I dated a man ( then in his mid-twenties) whose first sexual encounter was with his high school psychologist. He was about 14 at the time. He was deeply ashamed about the encounter and it was a very uncomfortable memory for him.

40 posted on 08/02/2010 3:59:48 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: GladesGuru

Wrong is wrong. There doesn’t need to be *demonstrable* evidence that the encounter was *harmful* to the boy to make it wrong.

That’s situational ethics which is no ethics at all.


50 posted on 08/02/2010 7:48:20 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GladesGuru

Your question is based on an incorrect assumption—that moral standards are always derived from utilitarianism.

So the implied conclusion is equally false.


200 posted on 08/03/2010 10:52:17 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Rules will never work for radicals because they seek chaos. And don't even know it.)
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To: GladesGuru
can any FReeper point me to real hard data showing actual damages to a young male getting an early introduction to sex?... My question is about ...demonstrated damage to the male in the same age group, so specific references would be appreciated.

If you need it pointed out to you, please do not attempt marriage, and especially not parenthood.

222 posted on 08/05/2010 10:57:44 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (" 'Bush did it' is not a foreign policy." -- Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: GladesGuru
Sexual assault of boys by females... is grossly underreported. In his book Abused Boys: The Neglected Victims of Sexual Abuse, psychologist and therapist Mic Hunter stated that "women account for 20% of the [sexual] abuse of boys." Boys are harmed by having sexual contact with an adult of either gender. It causes psychological trauma and pain, as does any other form of assault. Loss of self-esteem, shame, guilt and Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) are but a few of the consequences, according to Hunter, who deals with many male victims of childhood sexual abuse.

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Differentiating Abusive From Nonabusive Sexual Acts
Three factors are useful in clinically differentiating abusive from nonabusive acts – power differential; knowledge differential; and gratification differential....

Power differential...persons in authority positions, such as a teacher, minister, or Boy Scout leader, are in roles that connote power. Thus, sexual activities between these individuals and their charges are abusive. Power can also derive from the larger size or more advanced capability of the offender...[or] out of the offender's superior capability to psychologically manipulate the victim..


 • Knowledge differential ...when one party (the offender) has a more sophisticated understanding of the significance and implications of the sexual encounter. ...the offender [is] at least 5 years older than the victim for the act to be deemed predatory. ...Generally, the younger the child, the less able she/he is to appreciate the meaning and potential consequences of a sexual relationship, especially one with an adult. ...some researchers have used an age cutoff of 13 for boy victims... However, clinicians report situations in which boys victimized after age 13 experience significant trauma from these sexual contacts.

Gratification differential....the primary purpose of the sexual activity is to obtain gratification for the perpetrator....

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The myth that men can’t be victimized... by women is firmly entrenched... Many men who dare acknowledge that they were sexually abused by women are cruelly laughed at and humiliated.... Many men who were sexually abused by women feel deeply ashamed of themselves, their sexuality, and their gender.... they believe that there must be something profoundly wrong with them that they were abused in this way. Some men defend against feeling this way by being in a constant state of anger or rage - one of the few emotions that are socially acceptable for men. Many male survivors cope... by drinking, using drugs, living recklessly, avoiding intimate relationships, numbing their feelings, dissociating, and becoming depressed, anxious or angry....

224 posted on 08/05/2010 12:32:07 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (" 'Bush did it' is not a foreign policy." -- Victor Davis Hanson)
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