[Hot Tabasco]

Some here believe that an "owner" should be able to do with an animal as he/she pleases (including torture)

And just who are they?

[mware]

Some here believe that an "owner" should be able to do with an animal as he/she pleases (including torture)

...and if I recall correctly some here would literally face off with a bear, with only a knife to defend his pup.