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By the way - Now's the time to clarify values. I have mine - but strength comes in numbers. Here's what I will NOT fight about... If there's a duly elected group - liberals - and they make laws I hate - that's their right. When we're in office, we'll make laws they hate - and expect them to follow those laws. It's a free country. Election winners get to call the shots. It's how the system works. I like that - I believe in our system of government. If we don't like what liberals are doing (legally) then we can work harder and VOTE THEM OUT. That's how a free culture - rule of law - country works it.

I agree . . . . up to a point. When liberals "win" elections by fraud, intimidation, manipulation and lying, they have discredited themselves AND their "right" to make the laws.

And, THIS is where we are today. When the dumbed down masses voted zero and his henchmen in, they weren't voting for communism, they were voting for anyone who wasn't either Bush or a "demonized" Republican.

There's a HUGE difference between winning an election fair and square, and winning by deceit. But, you seem to accept either one.

I don't. And that may be an unbridgeable gap that will always divide us.

There's a HUGE difference between winning an election fair and square, and winning by deceit. But, you seem to accept either one. I don't. And that may be an unbridgeable gap that will always divide us.

I don't accept either one. But again - this issue needs to be clarified. For example, if four Republicans "do" voter intimidation at a polling place, does that give radical liberals the right to close down the vote and "take over"? My answer is "no". The same applies to us - if four or five black panthers do voter intimidation, do WE have the right to "take over"? My answer again is, 'no'.

There are ways to deal with voter intimidation within a free society - and we need to do that. First, vote the current bunch out of office. Then put in an attorney general who applies the law the same - regardless of color - one law - applied - colorblind...

If that doesn't work, we move to the streets and protest. Write letters. Sing 'we shall overcome'. We're years away from violence - lots of things to try first...

If one party or the other suspends voting - as a prelude to running the trains... then we move to resistance. We're NOT there. And that's what needs to be clarified. When do we stop being a thorn in the side of radical liberal evil and become "resistance"? What's the tipping point?

What's our plan for each level of corruption? Four thugs intimidating voters is not cause for revolution. For either side. What is? Where's your line? I have one. When voting is suspended unless the outcome is what the thugs in power want - that's a line... one that can't be crossed. Up until that line I prefer other choices.

So for you Dusty, what's your line that can't be crossed for voting?