[B-Chan]

So let’s see. Jesus said love your neighbor as you love yourself.

Yes.

That means you’ll gladly let the neo-Maoists deprive you of your job, your home, your children, even your known whereabouts.

I won't "let" them. They'll do it whether I "let" them or not. They have all the power. They could do it to me or to you right now. It happens to people all the time. The only reason it hasn't happened to anyone here on FR is because no one here poses any real threat. If any of us were a real threat, they'd Wacoize us.

I’m sure I’m right, because that’s what you’ll let happen to us, and as a good observer of the Golden Rule, that means you’d be just as happy if it happened to you, right?

I have no idea what you mean here. I wish I were a good observer of the Golden Rule.

Well, I find that kind of odd for a Catholic, because someone I know of with a funny hat paints quite a different picture than you do of our Declaration of Independence, what it means, and what it implies about your moral obligation to the rest of us:

“The United States of America was founded on the conviction that an inalienable right to life was a self-evident moral truth, fidelity to which was a primary criterion of social justice. The moral history of your country is the story of your people’s efforts to widen the circle of inclusion in society, so that all Americans might enjoy the protection of law, participate in the responsibilities of citizenship, and have the opportunity to make a contribution to the common good. Whenever a certain category of people—the unborn or the sick and old—are excluded from that protection, a deadly anarchy subverts the original understanding of justice. The credibility of the United States will depend more and more on its promotion of a genuine culture of life, and on a renewed commitment to building a world in which the weakest and most vulnerable are welcomed and protected.” ~Pope John Paul II

I agree with every word. Now please post the one where he says that we're supposed to start shooting people.

BTW, if we’re all, from your perspective, just a bunch of eternally doomed, time-wasting graffiti-writers who deserve no protection from the encroaching tyranny

Eternally doomed? I have no idea. I hope not.

Time-wasting graffiti-writer? In your case, yes.

Deserving of protection from the encroaching tyranny? There is no protection from tyranny in this world. And as for what we deserve — if Jesus Christ didn't deserve protection, nobody does.Yet no one protected Jesus from tyranny. He did a criminal's death. No one protected St. Stephen from tyranny, either. No one protected the Apostles from tyranny. (All but one of them died horrible deaths at the hands of tyrants.) No one protected the martyrs of the Coliseum from tyranny, or the martyrs of Lyons, or the martyrs of Japan, or St. Joan of Arc, or poor Saint Lawrence, who got roasted on a freaking grill. God decided to allow these truly holy people to die in shame, crushed beneath the bootheel of tyranny. Do you think we deserve better? If so, you're fooling yourself.

It is the duty of the Christian to suffer. Our Lord did. As tyranny gets worse, we're just going to have to shut up and take it. Christians have been doing that since the days of Nero.

What are you doing here?

Watching the human circus go by. It's an amusing pastime.

It’s not to foster unity against the destroyers of our country, that’s for sure.

Our country was destroyed years ago. All we're doing now is propping up the corpse.

Catholic evangelism, then?

Me? i wish. I'm the world's worst Catholic. Sure, I know the rules, but when it comes to following them, I stink.

Or are you intentionally sowing discord and despair among brethren as part of some perceived religious duty to “help the prophecy along?” Fatima, of course, the suppressed, apocalyptic version.

Yes. You have found me out. I am a part of the international Opus Dei conspiracy to bring about the Third Secret of Fatima. Curses, foiled again.

(Actually, we Catholics aren't into immanentizing the Eschaton. That's really an Evangelical sort of thing.)

FRiend, I'm tired of talking about this. I don't really care what you think on any subject, anyway. If it pleases you to live in a fantasy world where rednecks with deer rifles can defeat an army with tanks and helicopters, I won't try to talk you out of it. Relax and enjoy the comfort of your own delusions.

[Springfield Reformer]

I would love to meet you in person, if for no other reason than to watch you swallow your “redneck” stereotype whole. Now that *would* be amusing.

As for being amused at other people’s misery, I believe it falls quite far short of the Golden Rule, and is not merely a matter of being a poor Catholic.

And that’s what confuses me. You say you agree with the Pope’s words, but it was he who brought up protection of life as the core principle of our Republic, and the right to self defense and defense of others is no more than a logical extension of that right to life. Common law, rooted both in canon law and Scripture, acknowledges the use of proportional force for defense of self and others. That does not necessarily require the use of bullets, but it does grant the possibility. Jesus allowed the disciples two swords, not enough to create the appearance of a threat of aggression, but just enough to mount a meaningful defense in a pinch.

So if you really believe what the Pope said, why is it so hard for you to acknowledge your God-given duty to help protect your neighbor?

“If you faint in the day of adversity, Your strength is small. Deliver those who are drawn toward death, And hold back those stumbling to the slaughter. If you say, “Surely we did not know this,” Does not He who weighs the hearts consider it? He who keeps your soul, does He not know it? And will He not render to each man according to his deeds?”
~King Solomon (Proverbs 24:10-12)

[Yosemitest]

"Now please post the one where he says that we're supposed to start shooting people."

Man, I don't think I understand you,
and I'm not sure how to take you, as sarcastic or serious.

Don't you remember

there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was
since there was a nation
even to that same time:

And what about the fact that

Jesus Christ is the same Lord of the Old Testament.

Have you not read ...

In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him;
and without him was not any thing made that was made.
In him was life;
and the life was the light of men.
And the light shineth in darkness;
and the darkness comprehended it not.
There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
The same came for a witness,
to bear witness of the Light,
that all men through him might believe.
He was not that Light,
but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
That was the true Light,
which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
He was in the world,
and the world was made by him,
and the world knew him not.

Didn't Jesus say ...?

For I say unto you,
That unto every one which hath
shall be given;
and from him that hath not,
even that he hath
shall be taken away from him.
But those mine enemies,
which would not
that I should reign over them,
bring hither,
and slay them before me.

Who was it ... that took up the Ghost from Ananias and Sapphira?

Who was it ... that taught his people how to war to defend themselves?

Didn't our Heavenly Father, through our Savior tell us...

" thou mayest not set a stranger over thee,
which is not thy brother."

How well we deserve this curse (~so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things~) God has given us, through the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IN CHIEF, the FASCIST Obama.

It must be remembered ...

To every thing there is a season,
and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
A time to be born,
and a time to die;
a time to plant,
and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
A time to kill,
and a time to heal;
a time to break down,
and a time to build up;
A time to weep,
and a time to laugh;
a time to mourn,
and a time to dance;
A time to cast away stones,
and a time to gather stones together;
a time to embrace,
and a time to refrain from embracing;
A time to get,
and a time to lose;
a time to keep,
and a time to cast away;
A time to rend,
and a time to sew;
a time to keep silence,
and a time to speak;
A time to love,
and a time to hate;
a time of war,
and a time of peace.

What profit hath he
that worketh in that
wherein he laboureth?
I have seen the travail,
which God hath given to the sons of men
to be exercised in it.
He hath made every thing beautiful in his time:
also he hath set the world in their heart,
so that no man can find out the work that God maketh
from the beginning to the end.
I know that there is no good in them,
but for a man to rejoice,
and to do good in his life.
And also that every man should eat and drink,
and enjoy the good of all his labour,
it is the gift of God.
I know that, whatsoever God doeth,
it shall be for ever:
nothing can be put to it,
nor any thing taken from it:
and God doeth it,
that men should fear before him.
That which hath been
is now;
and that which is to be
hath already been;
and God requireth that
which is past.
And moreover
I saw under the sun the place of judgment,
that wickedness was there;
and the place of righteousness,
that iniquity was there.
I said in mine heart,
God shall judge the righteous and the wicked:
for there is a time there
for every purpose and for every work.
I said in mine heart
concerning the estate of the sons of men,
that God might manifest them,
and that they might see
that they themselves are beasts.

This too shall pass...(probably is coming to pass ... right now)

They hate him that rebuketh in the gate,
and they abhor him that speaketh uprightly.
Forasmuch therefore as your treading is upon the poor,
and ye take from him burdens of wheat:
ye have built houses of hewn stone,
but ye shall not dwell in them;
ye have planted pleasant vineyards,
but ye shall not drink wine of them.
For I know your manifold transgressions and your mighty sins:
they afflict the just,
they take a bribe,
and they turn aside the poor in the gate from their right.

Let us be ... a "thorn in their side".

"But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you;
then it shall come to pass,
that those which ye let remain of them
shall be pricks in your eyes,
and thorns in your sides,
and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.
Moreover
it shall come to pass,
that I shall do unto you,
as I thought to do unto them."

Yes, ... we SHOULD DEFEND OUR REPUBLIC!!!

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

And I thought I had your silly coward ass straightened

out on this BS,,,

I showed you the numbers on both “sides” ,,,

Why don't you go look them up for yourself,,,

It's all about the NUMBERS!!! DUH!!!,,,

Lets try this another way,,,

Do you remember the saying :

“A Rifle Behind Every Blade Of Grass.”?,,,

Would you not even defend your family ???,,,

Would you just stand by while they were raped and murdered??

We defended the weak back in 68’ with our lives and all

that GOD gave us to fight with,,,

Killed Giap’s whole army,,,

Then people like YOU gave it all away,,,

SAT CONG!!!...