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A friend of mine years ago came out to my place to hunt deer with a .243 Mdl. 70 Win. and an M1 carbine with 2 15-shot mags taped upside down to each other and 10 rounds in each mag(which was legal at that time). A small buck jumped up in front of him as he drove his old car out to the field, so he grabbed and came up with the carbine and shot NINETEEN times at that deer, hit it twice (gutshot once and across the left rear ankle). My brother killed the deer with a 6.5 mm. Swedish Mauser. Friend got rid of the carbine after that. Always seemed a bit light for deer, IMHO.

32 posted on 07/21/2010 7:17:58 PM PDT by Southbound ("A liar in public life is worse than a full-paid-up Communist, and I don't care who he is." - HST)

“....and shot NINETEEN times at that deer, hit it twice (gutshot once and across the left rear ankle)”

Sounds like that could well be a shooter issue as much as a firearm or cartridge issue. My carbine will group five shots in about four inches at a hundred yards if I do my part off a bench. That’s about typical for the ones I’ve seen.

While the round is light enough that using it on deer isn’t legal in many states, it’s certainly capable of doing the job with proper placement. Seventeen loud noises and two marginal hits won’t kill a deer with about any rifle round you care to mention.