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To: PugetSoundSoldier; RachelFaith

Apple absolutely DID demonstrate that other phones have the same problem and it was demonstrated during the presser. Since you will never see it, I won’t bother telling you things that will make you even more irate that you would not know unless you saw it ... all the way to a half an hour after it ended.

The other companies were not happy but it is hard to argue with the evidence. Most of it is on YouTube I believe. The “drops less than one call per one hundred” is not MY number as you so state. It was what Apple stated. I have had NO dropped calls.

Don’t expect people to be upset with Apple if they have personally had no dropped calls, at least so far in its inception. People are not returning their phones in droves! i have never denied a problem, just that I do not know anyone who has had a issue with the antenna.

Apple does not have a problem. The only problem that might exist is that the brand and its concept is driven by one man who will not live forever. Apple will never be as big as Microsoft and I wouldn’t want it to be. The biggest is never the best [as demonstrated by Microsoft] and Apple is the best and will be sold to people who want the best. Not the cheapest or the one most other people use.

As for your other “gripes”, I would characterize your behavior on these threads as excessive especially as you have not one iota of first hand experience with the iPhone 4. That is why I have related my experience and those of the 7 people who I knew that bought the iPhone 4 the first week. You come off as someone who simply hates Steve Jobs, which is a fashionable position these days. Congratulations for being trendy.

If you have a problem with another poster you should either live with it or solve it. But to declare in almost every post your displeasure with what one person called you is silly. You’re like a broken record.


122 posted on 07/18/2010 5:34:17 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I love BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers; RachelFaith
Apple absolutely DID demonstrate that other phones have the same problem and it was demonstrated during the presser. Since you will never see it, I won’t bother telling you things that will make you even more irate that you would not know unless you saw it ... all the way to a half an hour after it ended.

No, they didn't. The videos you see look interesting to non-technical folk, but anyone with a technical/engineering background will tell you that it does NOT show the problem. Anandtech PROVES the difference between what Apple is showing and what the REAL problem is. Yes, all phones will lose some signal when you hold them. The iPhone 4 loses 8 dB MORE because you also touch the metal of the antenna.

What you saw was a bunch of smoke and mirrors and non-relevant data put up by Apple's PR team to mask their problems and NOT address the real problem, which Anandtech - and many more - have documented.

There's a reason Consumer Reports and other technically inclined sites all call the presentation bogus, and that Apple still has not admitted the problem. It's nothing about the fact you're holding the phone, it's the fact you're touching the antenna.

Put it this way - all cars, if you drive them through a puddle - will hydroplane to some extent. However, drive a light car with bald, wide tires and it will hydroplane to the extreme! Heavier cars with good tread and narrow tires will still be controllable, even though they're hydroplaning to some degree; the light car with bald, wide tires might as well be on ice.

Apple's videos are basically lies, and it's why Nokia, RIM, Anandtech, CR, and many others have come out and said as much.

Talk to someone with an actual engineering or RF background, someone you trust. They'll tell you the same thing. What you're seeing is Apple's PR engine doing everything they can - including lying to the general public - to protect their image. That's the issue, and that's what most of the staunchest, most rabid iDrones refuse to admit.

The laws of physics cannot be broken, even by Apple. What they're asking you to believe with those videos and their marketing spin is that they have just done such a thing.

129 posted on 07/19/2010 6:24:01 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: BunnySlippers
Apple absolutely DID demonstrate that other phones have the same problem and it was demonstrated during the presser.

Now this is a bit over-the-top. You're going to believe Apple's word over its competitors when Consumer Reports (INDEPENDENT) has confirmed iPhone 4 has an issue. Keep in mind no one said the previous iPhones have this issue just the iPhone 4.

But now we are to believe this is a problem with all phones including previous iPhone series. As apple zealots like to claim everyone else is spreading FUD....this is clearly Steve Jobs obfuscating the issue and spreading FUD about other phones.

When independent tests prove all phones suffer as badly as iPhone 4 then I'll believe it.

138 posted on 07/20/2010 7:23:51 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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