Posted on 07/16/2010 5:18:32 PM PDT by Swordmaker
The only defense you have is to nit pick. Nit pick away, I ‘m not impressed. Nor are millions HIGHLY satisfied iPhone users.
That's a pretty lame spin. I expected more from you. What's the matter, too tired? Go read it again, then take my words apart and make something up. I am motivated to take you to town for it tonight, so don't go all givin' up on it so soon. Or maybe you gave up on it after LAST NIGHTS thrashing on the other thread... LOL
Nah, once a troll, always a troll, you will be back.
HA HA HA HA.... OK, now THAT was funny. LOL
Feel free, Rachel, you’re the one that’s not answering. That’s cool. You want to make stuff up, feel free.
I’d love to know where I made those sexist remarks that you claim I did. Or was that more of your fanciful imagination making words up?
Or perhaps I am the diabolical Satan as you claim, and can magically change past FR posts?
Nah, can’t be that - only the iPhone 4 is magical...;)
Right now it's early in the product cycle. iPhone4's are in short supply and somebody that's got one they don't want can easily find a buyer. Later in the product cycle the market will be saturated and the return rates will be higher because people get them as gifts or prizes and already have one, or are waiting for the next release. If the 6% return rate was over the entire lifecycle of the 3GS, then it's possible you were impressed with a cheap marketing gimmick based on a little statistical apples-and-oranges comparison.
The Audacity of Hope.
You mean like saying the new iPhone 4 only drops 1 call in 100 more than the 3GS, without telling you the drop rate of the 3GS? ;)
Why does it bother you for someone to ask what they base their statistics on?
Defend your position.
Apple’s overwhelming customer satisfaction score says you are horribly wrong.
So, prove it wrong. You have nothing and never will.
No No Bunny!
Selling 3 million iPhones in 22 days and having less then a fraction of 1% returned 600% below their previous phone is a FATAL FLAW.
Heehheheheeee
I don't think the total dropped call statistics really tell you much. If you've got plenty of towers around you, you might never drop a call. If you're in a marginal coverage area, it might be 1 in 10.
I have a sense of curiousity and enough sense not to know that marketing is largely an exercise in half truths and semantic manipulation. Only a fool takes everything at face value without asking questions.
MacDailyNews seems to be a bunch of smug name callers. This signal problem must be worse than I thought.
Straight Up Legit Question:
If you hold a phone a certain way and the signal changes or goes lower, is that, in and of itself a problem or is it just a normal function of the phone where the signal is always changing under different conditions?
I won’t demand a yes or no, or play any of your style silly games. Answer it any way you’d like. I just want to know if “a change” equals or means “a problem” or if “a change, for the worse, a lower score, interference, whatever you call it, real and measurable, is just a well, NORMAL.
What’s to defend? Steve Jobs stated that the iPhone 4 drops more calls than the 3GS. If there’s a problem with that statement, take it up with Apple and Steve Jobs.
If you maintain connection, no it's not a problem. A phone should operate with an always changing environment. Having signal strength increase or decrease is a way of life, and the phone should continue to do so.
But the key word is "operate". Dropping a call isn't really operating. The primary function of a phone is to BE a phone - make and keep a call. That's where - even per Steve Jobs' own statement - the iPhone 4 lags their previous offerings. It's a step backwards in terms of the primary function of a phone.
Yeah. Steve Jobs said it himself. Less than one in a hundred, but more. So, if you made like 100 calls... in one day, then you would drop less than one!!
Oh wait... can you just sorta drop a call? Or do you have to actually DROP it to count. Fractions can be tricky sometimes.
So, OK, let’s say you made 200 calls in a day... then, a fraction of 1 per hundred would be... wait. How MANY of a fraction? Did he say? Cause if you made 200 calls a day and dropped one of those calls, then the fraction would have to be higher than 1/2 of a percent if it’s less than 1 in 100 more than a 3G.
OK OK... so if it’s at least as high as the half a percent, then for every 200 calls you made, you could drop one. I guess. I mean you might not. It’s just an average based on 3 million phones sold in the last 22 days. Maybe it’s much LESS than that 1/2%. What if it’s only 1/4?
Well, then you would have to make 400 calls a day to drop one of them, or have a good chance at dropping one of them.
Yeah, I am getting the hang of this now.
But, what if it’s half of that... I mean he didn’t say... is it 1/2 or maybe even an 1/8th of less than 1... Well, an 8th sure makes for a long day of calls just to see if one might drop. 800 calls in one day... I dunno... I need to check my minutes before I’d try that kinda test.
But seriously... who HAS that kinda time anyway? I mean what is the average number of calls you make and how many drop on any phone? SOME. I am sure. I’ve had calls drop before. On ATT and all the others too.
So, are we really gonna go down this silly math path? If you make 10,000 calls on a Droid you will drop 100 of them, but on the iPhone 4 you will drop 103. This makes the iPhone MUCH WORSE than Droid.
Really? IS THAT IT? That’s the “Fatal Flaw” the “Smoking Gun”? I don’t think is smokes more than a candy cigarette!!
What was the drop rate of the 3GS? That will put things in perspective. Remember, Steve said it was about 1 in 100 MORE than the 3GS.
If the 3GS drops 1 per 1000, and the iPhone 4 drops 11 per 1000, then his statement is correct. And the drop rate is 11 times higher.
See, he gave us the difference, but not the starting point. It’s like saying your annual salary increased by $4,000. By itself, it’s meaningless in terms of good or bad. If you make $40,000 per year, hey that’s a nice 10% increase! If you make $400,000 per year, you’re not even keeping up with inflation...
Now I am a naturally cynical guy when it comes to big companies, seeing them as necessary creators of wealth, but that wealth creation is really what they are all about. Thus I look at statements about problems with that viewpoint. And when impressive sounding statistics are put out, but when you look at them you find most of the context missing, it’s usually done for a reason, and that is usually to shade the bad about the real situation.
So if a normal 3GS phone drops 10 of 100 calls, and the new iPhone 4 drops 11 per 100 calls, I’d agree it’s basically a meaningless increase.
However, if the 3GS drops 1 out of 300 calls, and the new iPhone 4 drops 1.3 calls per 100, then that’s a pretty significant increase (about 400%).
Context - in this case, the baseline - is key.
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