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To: rolling_stone
We have discussed this before I guess you missed it. First if we are going to do hypotheticals, what is the situation?

You tell me. You're the one alleging that a birth took place somewhere other than Hawaii. As far as I can tell, all the evidence indicates a Hawiian birth, and there's not a shred of evidence to indicate anything else.

Did Obamas mom go to Kenya to met the "Obamas" then find out he was already married and decided she didnt want to live in a hut for the rest of her life?

You tell me. You're the one alleging he was born there. I don't think SAD ever set foot in Kenya, since there's not a shred of evidence to suggest she ever did.

Did Obamas Kenyan family reject Stanley so she decided to be vindictive and keep Obie to spite them? Did she then have birth in Keny or elsewhere before she could return to Hawaii? Is Obama Sr really the father? Did she go to Canada and have Obie jr? To many variables to come to a conclusion.

Pick whatever scenario you want. There is still no plausible motive to fraudulantly register his birth in Hawaii if he wasn't born there.

What we do know is very few people knew in 1961 about the ability to immigrate and naturalize her child.

How do you know this? What makes you think it's true?

And are you seriously alleging that an educated bank manager like Grandma Dunham wouldn't have the sense to pick up the phone and call an immigration lawyer to find out?

Then what if Obie Sr objected and refused to let her leave Kenya or did he want nothing to do with Obie jr?

And how, exactly, would a Hawaiian birth certificate help her in such a scenario?

What we are sure of is that Obie is hiding something and fighting to keep the truth from being known.

I don't see any reason to believe that.

The question is why. Don't ask birthers why they think he might not have been born in Hawaii, demand that he prove it

He already has shown a document that's regarded as prima facie proof of birth in Hawaii. The state of Hawaii says he was born in Hawaii. That's all the evidence a court would ever require.

If you wish to question the validity of that evidence, then the burnen is on you to prove the Hawaii vital records are wrong. You have no such evidence, nor even any plausible motive, as to why anyone would defraud the state of Hawaii with regards to his birth.

134 posted on 07/14/2010 5:18:32 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity

Go back and read the garbagte you responded to me with, straighten it out and I might reply otherwise as it is its just liberal logic that tilts my points to your agenda.I dont like you spinning mmy response and turning it around to fit your agenda. You Fail. You have proved my point.


135 posted on 07/14/2010 5:27:55 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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