If she brought him back to Hawaii with her, as we know she did, and he was born in Kenya, then while his naturalization papers were being processed, he'd be a permanent resident.
plus we know they didn't live in Hawaii after he was born — they lived in the state of Washington.
Okay, fine. Then she could have filed for his naturalization papers while living in Seattle, and he'd be a permanent resident while living with her there. I don't see why you're so hung up on Hawaii.
Regardless, why fool with naturalization when you don't know where you're going to be living or if you're going to be living in the United States??
Uh...so he could get the benefits of US citizenship? If there was no reason to bother with naturalization, there would be no reason to bother with a fraudulant birth registration.
How does an unborn baby or newborn apply for a passport??
Simple. His mom or Dad fills it the application, presents a copy of his birth certificate or consular birth declaration, and attaches a couple passport photos of the child.
That's all it took to get my daughter a passport when she was a month old.
This point makes no sense.
What makes no sense? That babies needed documentation to enter the US?
For a newborn baby?? Not following this logic at all.
The logic is very simple. Even newborn babies need documentation to enter the US. In the 1960's, they were typically listed on their parents' faimly passport.
Now if the baby is born in the US, then the mom or dad needs to apply for a family passport, with the child's name, before leaving the country.
So suppose little Barry was born in Kenya, and grandma fraudulantly registers his birth in Hawaii. SAD now has a problem. How is she going to get little Barry documentation?If he really was born in Hawaii, then she would have been required to get him on her passport before they left the country. The fact that they are overseas now, and he has a US birth certificate, but he's not on her passport already, would immediately raise serious suspicions of fraud.
I don't see much evidence that SAD did things the legal way.
Well, there isn't any evidence she did anything illegally, either. But I suppose in your fantasy world, people are guilty until proven innocent.
There's no evidence of her alleged marriage to Barak Sr. except after the fact in a divorce decree.
That's pretty strong evidence! Why in the world would someone pretend to get be married and then go through the expense and hastlle of getting a divorce? That makes no sense!
No marriage license or marriage announcement has even been presented.
Where you would expect it to be presented, to whom, and for what reason?
The permanent address of Mr. and Mrs. Barack Obama listed in the birth announcements was not an address where Barak Sr. was ever known to have resided.
That's a birther myth and is simply not true.
SAD claimed she had a marital relationship with Barak Sr. for two years in the divorce decree, but there's no evidence to support this claim.
What possible motive would she have to claim it if it weren't true?
Why are we to believe she used a 'legal way' to register her baby as born abroad??
Given that there's absolutely no evidence she ever did anything illegally, and that there was nothing to gain from a fraudulant birth registration, yes.
Not at all. Granny claims to witness an unattended birth and gives a few details to the health department.
Okay, suppose Barry was born in Kenya, as you allege, and granny risks her freedom and committs perjury, as you allege, even though there was no rational reason to do i).
Now what? Little Barry's still in Kenya without any papers, and a US birth certificate isn't going to get him any. What good does the fraudulant birth registriation accomplish?
The newly formed state of Hawaii is glad to claim as many citizens as possible.
Nonsense. Birth registrations aren't used to count the population. That's what the census is for.> Why would either quibble over minor details??
Because that's what bureaucrats do.
She evidently didn't bring him to Hawaii (we don't that he was brought 'back') until he was about 2. Why fool with naturalization papers when it would have been so easy to get an original birth certificate and fudge the facts??
Okay, fine. Then she could have filed for his naturalization papers while living in Seattle, and he'd be a permanent resident while living with her there. I don't see why you're so hung up on Hawaii.
What?? Hung on Hawaii?? Is that not where Obama claims he was born??
Uh...so he could get the benefits of US citizenship? If there was no reason to bother with naturalization, there would be no reason to bother with a fraudulant birth registration.
I didn't say there was no reason to bother with naturalization. The question is why fool with it when you could get a birth certificate so easily?
The fact that they are overseas now, and he has a US birth certificate, but he's not on her passport already, would immediately raise serious suspicions of fraud.
We don't know that he wasn't on her passport or that he could have been added as born abroad. So far, you've shown nothing to indicate what the rules really were when Obama was born, and we know there are no records of how Obama traveled, such as when he went to Indonesia and returned.
Well, there isn't any evidence she did anything illegally, either. But I suppose in your fantasy world, people are guilty until proven innocent.
Fantasy world?? I just listed several things SAD did that weren't comletely honest which you just ignored Evidently these things aren't convenient to your faither beliefs.
That's a birther myth and is simply not true.
Nonsense. Barak Sr. had two known addresses when he was in college. Neither matches the address in the newspaper announcements. There's no proof he ever lived at that address.
What possible motive would she have to claim it if it weren't true?
I can't speculate on motive. The fact remains that she lived in a different state than he did during the time in which she claimed they were married.
Given that there's absolutely no evidence she ever did anything illegally, and that there was nothing to gain from a fraudulant birth registration, yes.
U.S citizenship for her child. Now you seem to forget that.
Okay, suppose Barry was born in Kenya, as you allege, and granny risks her freedom and committs perjury, as you allege, even though there was no rational reason to do i).
The reason was to get certain U.S. citizenship. Why do you keep forgetting??
Now what? Little Barry's still in Kenya without any papers, and a US birth certificate isn't going to get him any. What good does the fraudulant birth registriation accomplish?
U.S. citizenship. Granny could easily mail a completed birth certificate to SAD and she uses it however she needs to use it.
Nonsense. Birth registrations aren't used to count the population. That's what the census is for.
Sorry, but the Census Bureau, up until more recent years, administered vital statistics reports ... births, deaths, marriages, divorces ... birth reports were specifically used in helping project population increases. Hawaii had a known program for counting Hawaiian births during the years before and after Obama was born, making it pretty easy to get a Hawaiian birth certificate.