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TechCrunch ^ | Jul 3, 2010 | Steve Cheney

[PugetSoundSoldier]

Again, Nokia COMPLETELY DOMINATES mobile devices. Will you admit you’re flat-out wrong? It’s not even close. Apple is nowhere NEAR 500,000,000 units a year.

The facts simply show you’re wrong. Go ahead and admit it - I was right, you are wrong. It’s not hard...

[PugetSoundSoldier]

I agree - I love it. Combined with a world phone (CDMA and GSM - Verizon in the US, other carriers overseas) and I can stay in touch wherever I am.

[BunnySlippers]

Nokia makes more phones, yes. Apparently not good ones as no one hears about them anymore.

The used to make great looking cells, but their smartphones are downright ugly.

[BunnySlippers]

What is it about smartphone numbers? Another article saying Nokia WILL be in 3rd place, at best:

http://industry.bnet.com/technology/10009212/google-and-apple-will-snare-the-smartphone-lead-from-nokia-heres-how/

Google and Apple Will Snare the Smartphone Lead from Nokia — Here’s How

Apple (AAPL), Google (GOOG), RIM (RIMM), Microsoft (MSFT), Nokia (NOK) — when it comes to the main operating system vendors in smartphones, it’s easy to get lost in a forest of sales numbers and forget what they signify. Sort through the meaning behind the apparently sales numbers, and you get a sense of where things are going at the moment.

When you do, the picture of the world turns upside down within a year. Android will be at the front of the pack, with Apple second, Nokia third at best, and Microsoft and RIM fighting hard for fourth place.

[PugetSoundSoldier]

And as you defined the market of “mobile devices”, Nokia eclipses Apple. As does Samsung and LG.

You’re wrong about Apple dominating mobile devices. Do you admit it?

[PugetSoundSoldier]

Predictions of the future, now to bolster your case? Prognostication?

How about today? How about market growth? Do you realize that Android outsold iOS for Q1 2010? Android has passed Apple; Nokia’s challenge will be holding off Android, not Apple, in the SmartPhone market (a small share of the total cell phone market).

But Nokia is still the most-dominant mobile device manufacturer in the world. WAY beyond the next few combined, and 30+ times greater than Apple. It’s not even close.

So, yeah, you can try to worm out of it, and guess and hope, but your claim that Apple dominates mobile devices is provably out-and-out wrong. Not even close to reality.

Go ahead, admit it - you are wrong, I am right.

[BunnySlippers]

No question Nokia makes more phones.

But I do think Apple dominates in mobile devices but, as you have demonstrated, the numbers do not tell the story.

[BunnySlippers]

First, I’d like to know why the numbers are so different.

Why do numerous articles say that Android is first, Apple second and Nokia third?

Not my words ... but why do other articles state this?

[PugetSoundSoldier]

The numbers absolutely tell the story:

Can you tell me that Apple sells more than 500 million mobile devices? Do they sell more than 500 million of EVERYTHING combined - mobile devices, laptops, desktops, mice, screens? Not even close.

The numbers tell the story, it’s just a story you don’t like because it runs counter to your claim which has been shattered: Apple is nowhere near the market leader in mobile devices.

Just can’t bring yourself to admit that I am right and you are wrong, can you?

[PugetSoundSoldier]

What articles state that? They show Nokia leading mobile devices and cell phones. Everyone - including your own sources - states as much.

There are more total iPhones installed as compared to Android, but Android has now started outselling iPhones, so it won’t be too long before there are more Android phones than iPhones.

The numbers are consistent - Nokia leads, Android has overtaken sales from Apple, and Apple is losing market share, predominantly to Android (and a slightly resurgent BlackBerry).

[BunnySlippers]

From Gartner: Not in answer to your question

[BunnySlippers]

Worldwide Smartphone Sales by Platform:
Units Q1’10 Share Q1’10 Units Q1’09 Share Q1’09
(millions) (percent) (millions) (percent)
Symbian 24.1 44.3 17.8 48.8
RIM 10.6 19.4 7.5 20.6
iPhone OS 8.4 15.4 3.8 10.5
Android 5.2 9.6 0.6 1.6
Windows Mobile 3.7 6.8 3.7 10.2
Linux 2.0 3.7 2.5 7.0
Others 0.4 0.7 0.4 1.2
Total 54.3 100.0 36.5 100.0

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-05-19/smartphones-sales-jump-as-rim-apple-gain.html

[PugetSoundSoldier]

I don’t see how those differ from any of the previous rankings. Some surveys estimate sales in some countries, others use actual counts.

In both your charts, Nokia (Symbian) leads by a wide margin.

RIM (BlackBerry) comes in second.

Apple comes in 3rd, and Android (deployed on Motorola and some HTC phones) comes in 4th, but is hard-charging.

Nokia cleans up big time. And that’s just smartphones. Add in total cell phones and it’s even more dominating.

Apple is nowhere near the leader in mobile devices. Not even close. Agreed?

[PugetSoundSoldier]

Again, post as much as you want, but it’s not changing the rankings at all:

Nokia in first place
Blackberry in second place
Apple in 3rd

Ready to concede? You are wrong, I am right. Apple is not the mobile devices leader.

[BunnySlippers]

I already answered.

My posts have mostly proven your point on phones. But I think Apple dominates in mobile devices.

Sure, people may be able to play music on their Nokia phone, but they do not appear to make MP3 players or netbooks. As far as I am concerned, you have not indicated any other company making smartphones, music players and netbooks.

And Apple clearly is a leader in industrial design.

[PugetSoundSoldier]

But I think Apple dominates in mobile devices.

By your own definition of mobile devices, it's not even close. Nokia cleans Apple's clock.

The Nokia 5800 is the hottest selling MUSIC player in the EU and Asia (you know, 65% of the world's population). They've sold more than 16 million of them, averaging a million units a month, selling neck-in-neck with the iPod Touch (which is the equivalent product in the Apple lineup).

The N900 is a monster of a mobile computer, with a full touchscreen AND an integrated slide-out keyboard. They're doing 100K units a month, not iPad numbers, but then again it's a smaller device, and their bigger, MeeGo based unit will be out later this year.

And as we've seen above, Nokia simply owns the cell phone markets - smart and regular. No contest with anyone else.

Nokia makes phones, music players, and internet appliances (which is what the iPad is). They compete in the same spaces as Apple. And they totally dominate Apple in sales.

But yes, Apple makes things pretty! They just don't sell as many of them as you claim. How you can still believe Apple dominates mobile devices is a mystery...

[BunnySlippers]

The Nokia 5800 is a phone? Or a music device?

[PugetSoundSoldier]

Music device that can run Skype and internet phone software (VOIP capable).

[BunnySlippers]

I just looked it up. The Nokia 5800 is a phone. Does Nokia make mobile music devices like an iPod? Do they make netbooks?

Does any one company make smartphones, music players and netbooks?

Apple’s computers do not drive the company and have not for many, many years. The company broke out with the successful release of the iPod, then extended it with the iPhone. And lately with the iPad.

I don’t see other companies doing this.

[PugetSoundSoldier]

Oh, and if you really want to blow your mind, consider this: Apple BUYS software from Microsoft to allow the iPhone to sync to Outlook/Exchange. Every iPhone sold puts dollars in Microsoft’s bank account!