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FaceTime and Why Apple’s Massive Integration Advantage is Just Beginning
TechCrunch ^ | Jul 3, 2010 | Steve Cheney

Posted on 07/03/2010 9:38:54 PM PDT by stripes1776

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To: driftdiver; Swordmaker
You said "previous version" (singular). The *version* before the iPhone 4 was the 3GS.

Clearly, you are not interested in honest debate.

241 posted on 07/05/2010 5:39:18 AM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: BunnySlippers
Well said.

Geez, - he just went straight for the race card.

LOL ...

242 posted on 07/05/2010 5:49:02 AM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Cyropaedia

“You said “previous version” (singular). The *version* before the iPhone 4 was the 3GS.

Clearly, you are not interested in honest debate. “

Way to take it out of context. Another brilliant example of honesty and integrity from a macbot, NOT!


243 posted on 07/05/2010 5:56:34 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver; BunnySlippers; dayglored; antiRepublicrat; Star Traveler; RachelFaith; ...
Apple Sets iPhone Price at $399 for this Holiday Season

Driftdiver. Dishonest. Liar. And a cheater! Equal to any lying Democrat.

Talk about parsing words, you weaseling, sniveling troll. You said, in post #93:

Bunnyslippers: “$199 for the iPhone 4 is not expensive.”

driftdiver: True but consider thats half the price the previous version was released at.

Driftdiver: When they start reducing price it means something.

Words mean things. You can't go back and change them later to try and make you somehow right, when you are clearly lying and got caught.

You specified the immediately preceding iPhone version, not any preceding iPhone model. AND you further made time an important issue in your argument by your final sentence by linking your putative current price reduction to some current motive!

NOW we have you digging back two and a half years to the first generation iPhone, skipping over the $199 release of the iPhone 3Gs last year, and the year before that's $199 release of the iPhone 3G, and triumphantly and gleefully shouting "Gotcha!" because you found your double price factor of an iPhone being sold for $399.

That certainly is NOT 'the previous version iPhone," is it, driftdiver? And is the price reduction your point implied current??? No. So can it be inferred, as you wanted, that Apple was reducing it's pricing currently due to current pressures? NO!

You, sir, have been hoist on your own petard, and proved to be a dishonest cad!

244 posted on 07/05/2010 6:03:16 AM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker

Yes words mean something, like arbitrary code execution.

You clearly prefer to libel and slander me. Defamation of character is not a worthy occupation for you.

You said the iPhone had always been released at $199. I provided a link proving you were wrong. Don’t choke on the crow bones.


245 posted on 07/05/2010 6:35:48 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
Not to mention that if you use someone else’s WIFI point that is breaking the law...

What do you think a WiFi hot spot is?

246 posted on 07/05/2010 9:08:19 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

Something that has defined terms of use; for example, most restaurants with free WiFi have rules that you actually patronize their store if you want to use WIFI.

Of course, since I can use my phone to create a WiFi hotspot wherever I am (without breaking the law), I must admit I really never use them. Not only does my phone do everything over 3G that it does over WiFi, I can use my laptop at any time, too! And yes, even other phones and laptops can connect as well, if I choose to let them in to my new router-via-cell-phone connection.


247 posted on 07/05/2010 11:14:29 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: driftdiver; RachelFaith; antiRepublicrat; Star Traveler; RightOnTheLeftCoast
You said the iPhone had always been released at $199. I provided a link proving you were wrong. Don’t choke on the crow bones.

Liar. you ARE a sniveling, lying coward who is afraid to quote MY words accurately, because they prove you to be either (A) Incompetent, (B) deliberately and dishonestly misrepresenting my statement to paint me as incompetent, or (C) a liar.

The truth is A,B,and C.

248 posted on 07/05/2010 11:45:11 AM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker
Tablet software was available with windoz XP.No, it did not sell, and neither will this new tablet push. It will be just one more form factor and until they put a phone in it, totally redundant.
249 posted on 07/05/2010 11:51:24 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: driftdiver

These people are like crack heads....LOL


250 posted on 07/05/2010 12:01:52 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Swordmaker; driftdiver; RachelFaith; antiRepublicrat; Star Traveler; RightOnTheLeftCoast
Allow me to put the pricing lie conclusively to bed. The following is Steve Jobs' open letter to early purchasers, of September 6, 2007. iPhone's unsubsidized price points, at least in the U.S., have remained stable since then. Of course, few folks pay the unsubsidized price, at least in the U.S. Meanwhile, I can't speak for carriers outside the U.S. but I can attest that today's $199 AT&T-subsidized price for a 16GB iPhone 4 in the U.S. is identical to what I paid for a 16GB iPhone 3G (with 2-year AT&T commitment) two years ago, and I have the receipt to prove it.

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/openiphoneletter/

To all iPhone customers:

I have received hundreds of emails from iPhone customers who are upset about Apple dropping the price of iPhone by $200 two months after it went on sale. After reading every one of these emails, I have some observations and conclusions.

First, I am sure that we are making the correct decision to lower the price of the 8GB iPhone from $599 to $399, and that now is the right time to do it. iPhone is a breakthrough product, and we have the chance to 'go for it' this holiday season. iPhone is so far ahead of the competition, and now it will be affordable by even more customers. It benefits both Apple and every iPhone user to get as many new customers as possible in the iPhone 'tent'. We strongly believe the $399 price will help us do just that this holiday season.

Second, being in technology for 30+ years I can attest to the fact that the technology road is bumpy. There is always change and improvement, and there is always someone who bought a product before a particular cutoff date and misses the new price or the new operating system or the new whatever. This is life in the technology lane. If you always wait for the next price cut or to buy the new improved model, you'll never buy any technology product because there is always something better and less expensive on the horizon. The good news is that if you buy products from companies that support them well, like Apple tries to do, you will receive years of useful and satisfying service from them even as newer models are introduced.

Third, even though we are making the right decision to lower the price of iPhone, and even though the technology road is bumpy, we need to do a better job taking care of our early iPhone customers as we aggressively go after new ones with a lower price. Our early customers trusted us, and we must live up to that trust with our actions in moments like these.

Therefore, we have decided to offer every iPhone customer who purchased an iPhone from either Apple or AT&T, and who is not receiving a rebate or any other consideration, a $100 store credit towards the purchase of any product at an Apple Retail Store or the Apple Online Store. Details are still being worked out and will be posted on Apple's website next week. Stay tuned.

We want to do the right thing for our valued iPhone customers. We apologize for disappointing some of you, and we are doing our best to live up to your high expectations of Apple.

Steve Jobs
Apple CEO

251 posted on 07/05/2010 12:32:14 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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To: BunnySlippers
"Okay. What do you have against pretty and fun? You seriously like ugly and difficult?"

News alert: Helen Thomas has retired.

Oh, wait...
252 posted on 07/05/2010 12:34:02 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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To: driftdiver
"Yes words mean something, like arbitrary code execution."

Or words like "Show us a link proving that's occurred in the wild, or it didn't happen."
253 posted on 07/05/2010 12:35:35 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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To: Swordmaker; driftdiver; RachelFaith; antiRepublicrat; Star Traveler; RightOnTheLeftCoast

Then there’s this, from the Wikipedia page... Was the original iPhone un-subsidized? Mebbe so... Whatever, my main point stands: today’s subsidized pricing is unchanged since the 3G.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_iPhone#cite_note-46

iPhone 3G pricing model changes

With the July 11, 2008 release of the iPhone 3G, Apple and AT&T changed the U.S. pricing model from the previous generation. Following the de facto model for mobile phone service in the United States, AT&T will subsidize a sizable portion of the upfront cost for the iPhone 3G followed by charging moderately higher monthly fees over a minimum two year contract.


254 posted on 07/05/2010 12:39:16 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

Wait a minute, I thought you guys were all railing at me about how it was just the last version that was included in the pricing.

In fact I recall some very nasty insults about that very same issue. And you wonder why I don’t like mac users?


255 posted on 07/05/2010 12:49:52 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

“Or words like “Show us a link proving that’s occurred in the wild, or it didn’t happen.” ‘

In security you don’t wait until something has happened. You base it on capabilities. Or would you prefer people do nothing and live in ignorance until their mac has been destroyed by malware?

Plus you guys rail at Microsoft everytime a patch is released to fix an issue, regardless of whether a hack has been done using that vulnerability.

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.


256 posted on 07/05/2010 12:52:41 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Something that has defined terms of use; for example, most restaurants with free WiFi have rules that you actually patronize their store if you want to use WIFI.

Thus, using someone else's WiFi.

257 posted on 07/05/2010 12:54:06 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: driftdiver
"Wait a minute, I thought you guys were all railing at me about how it was just the last version that was included in the pricing."

You're making no sense. You attempted to needle us with an intimation that Apple had cut prices for reasons of weakness in the marketplace. We called you on it. You were wrong and should be man enough to admit it.

Y'know, Drifty, you're not coming off well in this exchange.
258 posted on 07/05/2010 1:49:50 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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To: driftdiver
"In security you don’t wait until something has happened. You base it on capabilities. Or would you prefer people do nothing and live in ignorance until blah blah blah..."

In other words you have no evidence whatsoever. The very definition of FUD!

It's no surprise, because OS X has been remarkably free of malware--in fact, limited to users who stupidly install trojan'd software (such as cracked versions of commercial software dangled "for free" on warez sites) and grant it unwise permissions--and especially self-replicating viruses, of which there have been precisely zero in the wild, compared with millions of infestations in the Windows world.

Ignorance has nothing to do with it; many of us use OS X precisely because we're informed about security.

But I don't expect you to acknowledge that. You're too busy hating and hating and hating. When you're not spewing half-baked FUD.
259 posted on 07/05/2010 1:54:44 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

‘In other words you have no evidence whatsoever. ‘

yeah only apples website.

“It’s no surprise, because OS X has been remarkably free of malware”

Unsurprisingly apple has code installed to prevent malware.

“Ignorance has nothing to do with it; many of us use OS X precisely because we’re informed about security.”

Willfull ignorance

‘But I don’t expect you to acknowledge that. You’re too busy hating and hating and hating. When you’re not spewing half-baked FUD.”

You just couldn’t hold it back could you, all that hate filling you up.


260 posted on 07/05/2010 2:47:59 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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