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FaceTime and Why Apple’s Massive Integration Advantage is Just Beginning
TechCrunch ^ | Jul 3, 2010 | Steve Cheney

Posted on 07/03/2010 9:38:54 PM PDT by stripes1776

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To: stripes1776

So what? Tech crunch have always been a bunch of whores for Apple.

Facetime software is a joke compared to what Sprint has with the EVO. The EVO can call computers using skype, other phones running fring or qik and it can do it anywhere unlike the iPhone which can only do it on wifi....Pathetic.


21 posted on 07/03/2010 10:16:41 PM PDT by CSI007
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

You’re trumpeting a perceived market advantage that will be very shortlived, PugetSoundSoldier. Then, it’ll be right back to the usual dynamic, which is a choice between the genuine article put together with great care and flair from Apple, or the lower apparent cost of entry for what is for all intents and purposes a less than ideally executed clone.


22 posted on 07/03/2010 10:19:13 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
I dunno. Maybe because it ticks off the right kind of Applebots.

So why troll? Seriously. Some of us would like to read the thread without someone coming in trying to start fights just for the fun of trying to make someone else mad.

23 posted on 07/03/2010 10:29:59 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Jeff Head

Dear Mr. Head: Thank you for your scholarship and amazing productivity. Your review of the new iPad is very interesting. And I believe you. If you find value in the iPad, then it’s gotta be good. I’ll check it out. Speedy recovery.


24 posted on 07/03/2010 10:32:16 PM PDT by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-94))
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To: stripes1776

You’re welcome for the links, and thank you well wishes for my rehab. I was on my back over 10 weeks so all muscle tone is gone...am learning to walk again.

I synced my iPod touch when I got out. All my iPad apps came over. My iPod touch is a 32gb version.

Great stuff.


25 posted on 07/03/2010 10:37:12 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
Seems to me a feature that's available in a very limited number of places (as compared to that same feature on other platforms that are available everywhere) is hardly a reason to trumpet a device.

On the contrary. I have a WiFi network for my home, as do most of the my friends and the people I work with.

I have a WiFi sniffer on my iPod touch, and from my house I can see 21 WiFi networks. So a lot of people in my neighborhood have WiFi networks in their homes as well. I take this with me and in some neighborhoods I can see up to 45 networks just standing on a corner. So there are lots of people with private home WiFi networks. I am using WiFiFoFum from Aspecto Software. There are several other program available that will do the same.

There are a lot of workplaces that now have WiFi networks. And there are coffee shops and bars and other stores that offer free WiFi these days when you aren't at home. And you can get WiFi in any airport. And aren't some of the Android phones you talk about offering hotspots for WiFi?

There is a nice little app that finds free WiFi when you aren't at home. You can find it here: WiFi Finder by jiwire.

26 posted on 07/03/2010 10:37:49 PM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what shall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: Falconspeed

Thank you.

Do check it out. If you get one, you will not be sorry. I have the 64gb WiFi version.


27 posted on 07/03/2010 10:38:46 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
I dunno. Maybe because it ticks off the right kind of Applebots.

Well, if you were trying to tick me off, you failed in your mission. On the contrary, you have elicited my pity and compassion.

28 posted on 07/03/2010 10:43:01 PM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what shall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: stripes1776

Well, hooray! I’ll work up a Paypal donate button for ya and we can get this all solved.


29 posted on 07/03/2010 10:44:34 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: Richard Kimball

Oh, yeah...I forgot that anyone who has a dissenting opinion is a ‘troll’ in AppleLand. Anyways, go to hell, Richard. :)


30 posted on 07/03/2010 10:46:44 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
Well, hooray! I’ll work up a Paypal donate button for ya and we can get this all solved.

Thanks so much for your generosity and thoughtfulness.

31 posted on 07/03/2010 10:48:39 PM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what shall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: RegulatorCountry
That's hilarious. Who's copying whom, here? Looks like the nattering nabobs have given up trashing the iPad and are stepping all over themselves to get some Android kludge iClone tablet to market.

Yes, because that idea wasn't done like 6 years ago. The iPad is a rehash of 10+ years of PC tablets. It's moderately successful; compare iPad sales to netbooks, for example - it's not even close, netbooks dominate and notebooks annihilate iPad sales.

Then, you have the entire notion of "apps," a stripped down conception of software applications ... wholly attributable to Apple and only three years ago

Really? Nokia had an application store back in 2005, about 2 years before Apple even announced it.

It's been like this since Bill Gates kludged together Windows on top of DOS with the explicit objective of making it look like a Mac, apparently elusive still, but that was the explicit objective.

Yes, the Mac, with its single button mouse and shared menu was so well cloned by Windows...;) Never mind color versus B&W! And where did Apple get those ideas? Xerox PARC perhaps?

The keyboard commands, everything that could be just like a Mac was just like a Mac, and what couldn't was still like a Mac but backwards, inverted scrollbars or buttons for expanding and closing windows, etcetera.

Really? The original PC keyboards didn't have an "Apple" button, and they've always had a backspace button (Apple still doesn't). And those other features? Take a look at PARC again. CTRL+C/X/V were from PARC, not Apple. And Microsoft used those, since they were standards by 1977.

Apple was largely responsible for every single thing you take for granted, from the first successful desktop metaphor GUI to using a mouse

...if we ignore PARC, Wang, AutoDesk, and a host of others who were in graphical GUIs with mice or pucks (and, BTW, the mouse was patented in 1970 for use on other computer systems, well before the Steves ever met and started Apple)...

...Oh, and of course Apple released their FIRST computer about 4 years AFTER Charles Simonyi (yes, of Microsoft fame) coined the term WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get), and started the entire GUI/graphical revolution...

to color monitors

...other than IBM, Epson, and Xerox having color computers out in 1974-1975... Not to mention the ELF, Super ELF, and VideoBrain which also preceded the Apple II...

to, well, you name it

Someone's been studying their revisionist history!

32 posted on 07/03/2010 10:49:04 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: stripes1776

Anytime. Glad to oblige.


33 posted on 07/03/2010 10:51:18 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
it's not even close, netbooks dominate and notebooks annihilate iPad sales.

Not so. You're choosing to compare on company's tablet [Apple's iPad] to many other company's tablets; Dell, HP, etc. Let's compare company to company to be fair. Not Apple to dozens of other tech companies.

34 posted on 07/03/2010 10:53:40 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

Android? Not many... It’s a phone OS, not an MP3 player manufacturer or standalone brand. Perhaps you’re not aware of that?


35 posted on 07/03/2010 10:55:24 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: RegulatorCountry
The integration of Apple on the one hand via WiFi, versus downloading a third party app and clicking it for 3G ... well, whatever floats your boat. I’ll go with Apple.

Yes, I think I will go with Apple too. I saw a video on the Internet yesterday. A software developer said that Apple's iPhone was the easiest mobile to develop applications for because there was one hardware platform and one operating system. The Android market was more difficult because each vender has multiple types of hardware with different versions of the operating system. And then when they do update the OS, the apps may fail.

I think Apple really has the right strategy here--vertical integration of hardware, operating system and applications.

36 posted on 07/03/2010 10:57:23 PM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what shall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

I’m aware.

Consistently throughout all of your arguments, you compare one company, Apple, to the combined field of competitors.

Your arguments do not hold up as a result.


37 posted on 07/03/2010 10:57:44 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: RegulatorCountry

You mean video conferencing on a phone? It’s been done for quite a while now, and it’s fully integrated as well, once you download an app.

Unless you mean the act of downloading an app is the problem?


38 posted on 07/03/2010 10:57:44 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

All obscurities and not viable nor commercially successful, PugetSoundSoldier. You’ve got quite the list of every picayune instance, speaking of revisionist history. You know quite well the extremely lucrative agreement between Apple and Xerox PARC. I’m just surprised you didn’t resort to the venerable old saw that Apple “stole” it. Never understood that one, unless it’s just noise to counteract the very well known stealing that went on in the other direction.

You recite “tablets” as if these remotely compare. They don’t, not in form, not in function. No touchscreen, let alone multitouch. Speaking of tired old saws, you’re riding the single button mouse hobbyhorse again, knowing full well that multibutton mice have always worked with a Mac. Do you still have your OEM mouse, or did you buy a better one?

Of course the Windows PC didn’t have an “apple” key. What, do you think they’re that stupid? It’s trademarked in addition to patents. You’ll note that the substitute key for the same function does the same thing, though, if you’re honest.

Where is Chuckie’s WSIWYG computer, PugetSoundSoldier? Is there even an example gathering dust in some display window down the road from you at Redmond?


39 posted on 07/03/2010 11:00:04 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: stripes1776

And when you’re out and about? How about then?

And I guess you have a jailbroken iPod Touch since Apple has banned all WIFI sniffers from their App Store. Not to mention that if you use someone else’s WIFI point that is breaking the law...

I dunno, just seems like it would be easier to use video conferencing anywhere and everywhere, and also one that inter-operates with open standards (not just FaceTime).


40 posted on 07/03/2010 11:00:33 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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