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Puberty at age Seven...Cases becoming all too Common
Daily Mail ^ | June 17, 2010 | Winifred Robinson

Posted on 07/03/2010 10:53:04 AM PDT by Duke C.

The first reports of a steep drop in the age of puberty began to emerge from the U.S. just over a decade ago - around the time my son Tony was born - but I didn't take too much notice back then.

If it was a real problem, I reasoned, I would know someone with a child in this situation and back then I did not.

As with so many other health stories, sceptical scientists quickly stepped in to criticise the methods used in the American studies, while others blamed the lifestyle there - too much obesity, too much sitting in front of televisions and computer screens and too much hormone-treated beef.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1287238/Tara-just-seven-puberty-struck--shockingly-cases-like-common--whats-blame.html#ixzz0sduTZhhF

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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To: tiki

Asians have soy all the time, and they don’t have any problems with it.

I’d point my suspicion towards three things:

1. Female birth control..

2. Hormones in beef cattle and for extending milk production in milch cattle.

3. Hormones added to plants to produce seedless fruit.

There might be others, such as food additives mimicking hormones, but I’m not sure kids get much of those to cause concern.


21 posted on 07/03/2010 11:36:03 AM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

>Physical stress, and the lack of physical stress, can also affect the onset of puberty. So if you want to work your children to exhaustion, the run them five miles every day, don’t be surprised if they don’t experience puberty until they are 17, even if their bodies are buff.

Except that 5mi/day isn’t really that far (though I prefer to walk instead of run)... I’m not sure that that “stress” would be a bad thing either.


22 posted on 07/03/2010 11:42:21 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Duke C.

Sorry for any child who must endure early onset of puberty, three things come to mind:

1. Lack of physical exercise
2. Dietary habits
3. Overwhelming amount of products/chemicals high in estrogen, namely soy based products

Historically a lower age of puberty coincided with prosperity, due to the lack of conflict or immediate threat to life, enough to eat and less physical labor. In the last 30 maybe 40 or so years many have attributed obesity, early onset of puberty and effeminate attributes to a good life; ignoring contributing factors, empirical data, all the while avoiding societal responsibility.

Soy is making kids ‘gay’: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327
The trouble with soy – part 2: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53425
The trouble with soy – part 3: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53507
The trouble with soy – part 4: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53596
The trouble with soy – part 5: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53675
The trouble with soy – part 6: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=39705


23 posted on 07/03/2010 11:50:08 AM PDT by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: Tucker39

Almost all infant formulas contain soy.


24 posted on 07/03/2010 11:51:33 AM PDT by Persevero (What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ - G. Wash.)
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To: Mere Survival
If soy then wouldn’t the asian cultures have earlier onset of puberty?

Good question. My understanding is that the Asians use fermented soy (e.g. soy sauce) and that makes a huge difference.
25 posted on 07/03/2010 11:51:49 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Persevero

Almost all infant formulas contain soy.
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For the health of your baby, breastfeed if you are physically able to. No question about that. We had to switch to formula at about 9 months once with my wife because of a medical problem and hospital stay. She dried up I guess. So no guilt, you can only do what you can do, but definitely breastfeed if you can. Scientists making formula are smart, but not as smart as God.


26 posted on 07/03/2010 11:57:00 AM PDT by Mere Survival (The time to fight was yesterday, but now will have to do.)
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To: Duke C.
Well, whatever the cause is, I'm sure it doesn't have anything to do with massive amounts of growth hormones injected into the beef and poultry we consume. Nothing whatsoever. La la la...


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

27 posted on 07/03/2010 12:00:53 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: James C. Bennett; muawiyah
>>>> "Asians have soy all the time, and they don't have any problems with it." <<<<

I just found out the other day from freeper muawiyah that asians have over 500 different genes for the digestion & assimilation of RICE. I was astounded, as I've always read that rice is SO safe, that "nobody" is allergic to rice, that Asians don't get fat on rice, so change your diet to a rice/STARCH based one, BLAH/Blah/blah.

There is LOTS of nutritional misinformation out there, and everybody keeps requoting it.

28 posted on 07/03/2010 12:01:29 PM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: Duke C.

I would bet gentics has a lot to do with it. Most of the females in my family on my Mom’s side all had puberty early one as young as 8 and others no later than 11.I was one of the later ones at 11.


29 posted on 07/03/2010 12:05:37 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: chris_bdba

BTW this was anywhere from 20 yeatrs ago to over 30years ago so most of the things from food and plastics were not as prevelent then.


30 posted on 07/03/2010 12:10:53 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Yaelle

You have hit the nail on the head.
It is chicken. I have worked in the feed related industry 25 years and have seen first hand what chemicals are used to speed up the growth of chicken and develop certain parts of the chicken faster. (legs and breasts)
35 days from egg to pan? You betcha!
Young girls on average eat nothing but cereal and chicken tenders. Hormone laden chicken has been marketed everywhere since the early 1990’s.
Thanks Bo, and Tyson’s and all the other chicken producers for what is happening to the youth.
Add to that the inability to get a job, and it kinda sucks to be a teen nowadays....


31 posted on 07/03/2010 12:44:19 PM PDT by 9422WMR (Illegal is not a race)
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To: hennie pennie

What does rice have to do with soy? No one has made a connection with rice and hormonal issues, only with soy.


32 posted on 07/03/2010 12:55:39 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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To: mdmathis6
There are probably GENES involved with soy and soya products, just like genes are involved with RICE.

Really complicated.

33 posted on 07/03/2010 1:06:46 PM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: Duke C.

I think it is a combination of factors but that soy is a key player. I read a book called “The Whole Soy Story” (http://www.amazon.com/Whole-Soy-Story-Americas-Favorite/dp/0967089751/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1278186549&sr=8-1) that, while it was an advocacy (anti-soy) piece, really did a great job of documenting assertions with medical studies. There was an infant formula that was around 100% soy several years ago, until medical studies revealed the devastating effects that soy had on babies.
On the Amazon website link that I provided, you can read comments by pro and anti soy readers. Even the readers who are pro soy generally say “true, soy contains cytotoxins but only if you eat too much of it.” One reader said the cytotoxin claim made sense to hear once she read it because she always wondered why the interior of her mouth would go numb when she ate it. Others talked about negative effects, most of which were hormone based.
The book has a chapter on the use of soy in Asian societies and documents that it’s consumption is more recent historically than the impression we receive, that it is fermented in the traditional Asian process (unlike modern soy production), and that the Asians traditionally ate small amounts of it as a condiment.
Once I was done reading the book, I wanted to avoid soy as much as possible. At this point I discovered that soy is now in everything as it is now being touted as a health food (!) Soy bean oil has displaced other oils in the production of mayonnaise and salad dressings. Soy proteins are used to fortify many foods. Carageenan in ice cream used to be derived from sources like kelp but now are obtained from soy. Most of the protein shakes used by body builders or health enthusiasts contain soy either exclusively or in part. And as it is sold as a health agent, people can take soy supplements (soy is a common binder in many other unrelated supplements) and in particular, women are encouraged to take soy as a hormone replacement therapy because soy contains phytoestrogens (plant based hormones). So if women can take it for hormone replacement therapy, then it has the potential to effect hormones in humans.


34 posted on 07/03/2010 1:08:17 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: Duke C.
our oldest was 12, the younger two were 11... thank God
35 posted on 07/03/2010 1:14:53 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: OneWingedShark

In economics, there is a marvelous term known as “opportunity cost”.

Simply put, it means if you choose something, you cannot choose something else, because you can only afford one or the other.

In this case, family ‘A’ decides to busily keep their daughter occupied at sports, when she is not in school. Then she is sent to college, where she earns a professional degree. From there, she becomes a successful businesswoman, eventually she marries and she and her husband live to old age.

Family ‘B’, however, let their daughter do what she wants, so she gets pregnant in high school, marrying her boyfriend, and scraping by while they have three more kids. Their kids do much the same, so that when she is in her 40s, she had a dozen grandchildren. She dies of a heart attack at 60.

Of these two, which family has the better reproductive strategy? The answer is ‘B’, because they reproduced. Family ‘A’ died out.

Many Americans, and the American culture, push people to want to be like the ‘A’ family, because it is a “better” way to live. Teen pregnancy is “bad”. Not getting a higher education is “bad”. For women to not have professional careers is “bad”. And always there is the emphasis on having children later and later in life, because there will be better provision for the children.

Importantly, the attraction is not just materialism; but increased “productivity”, which is a worthless thing indeed, as a national goal; and so that couples can pay more taxes, instead of just from one, male breadwinner.

But, as the expression goes, “Every hundred years—all new people”, so by then those who pushed for these things will be gone, and leaving no offspring, they and their ideas, and ideals, will be forgotten.


36 posted on 07/03/2010 1:18:17 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: aimhigh

and chicken and milk.. what will those hormones do to boys? Will they be more feminine ? notice how many men and boys now have breast buds


37 posted on 07/03/2010 1:43:42 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: hennie pennie

Perhaps, but rice has been consumed in this country at various times since its founding and I have heard of no ill effects for caucasians or blacks in eating rice. Eating soy products to excess certainly does!

Rice and beans supply a complete protein complex for those who don’t like to eat meat, without which vegans would almost assuredly perish(not that I’m vegan). It’s the only vegetable combination that will supply the total protein complex needed by humans...other veggie combo’s won’t cut it(unless a piece of meat or fish or an egg is consumed occaisionally).


38 posted on 07/03/2010 1:44:18 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I agree 100%


39 posted on 07/03/2010 2:01:24 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: James C. Bennett

studies have been done to show that milk from rsBT cows had no more hormones in the non-rsBT cows.

http://pagingdrgupta.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/09/hormones-in-milk/

“As we investigated this story, I found that most of the peer-reviewed science out there does not support a link between hormones in milk and cancer, nor with early puberty in girls, which is a widely circulated concern. Common sense, my wife tells me should prevail. “How could artificial hormones possibly be good for a growing child?” she asks the way only a mom can ask.

Often times, I am left without a response. “But, the science...” I say in vain. But, she’s already off to the grocery store to buy more.

No one has menbtioned better prenatal care as a reason that kids are starting puberty early.


40 posted on 07/03/2010 2:16:43 PM PDT by Perdogg (Nancy Pelosi did more damage to America on 03/21 than Al Qaeda did on 09/11)
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