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To: dennisw
"Buying Apple is a total rip-off for many computer users and I have a good example. I have a friend who has been wanting to get on the internet for a while and do other basic things such as email, writing a letter then printing it and mailing it So this week we are going to Staples where there is a $300 Compaq desktop. Has 3GB memory and will easily handle whatever he does He wants a big LCD monitor so we are probably going to get him an Acer 23" LCD for $157 Total bill is $457 and no way Apple can compare to this.

I hope your friend has better luck with his entry-level computer than you do with your period key.

But we're not in disagreement: I said Apple doesn't make cheesy entry-level crap, and clearly Compaq does. It might be instructive to consider why the Compaq costs as little as it does. First, your friend will find it absolutely festooned, stuffed to the gills, with "trialware" and "bonusware" and other form of performance-sapping, pop-up flashing, annoying intrusive insecure crap, crap that natters the user to spend money to make the annoyance go away. Compaq gets a subsidy for putting each of those gems on it. So your first job, as the friend who's gotten sucked into supporting this piece of junk, is to cleanse the machine of as much of that stuff as you can find. Oh, but some won't pop its little head up for a few weeks yet. So I hope your friend lives close by, because it'll be a while before you're done with that part of the fun. The best part is how you can show him how easy it is to reboot Windows, which you'll have to do a dozen times. Enjoy.

Your second job will be to download and install a decent anti-virus/anti-malware program (unless you succumb to the siren call and hourly pop-up come-ons from the trialware, which will ask you to pay). Gotta be sure the machine is locked-down. Be sure to teach your friend about malware and email attachments and so forth. Enjoy.

Then comes the day to day support. Maybe you'll get lucky and there won't be much of that. But when something goes wrong, what a pity, there's no Apple Store to make an appointment at and get a swift, knowledgeable answer from a native English speaker face-to-face. Nope, it'll be you, and your script-reading friend Mujibur in Bangalore at the other end of the 800 number and 45 minutes of hold music. Enjoy.

And then when your friend gets a virus or installs some cute animated cursor utility or a nifty "search bar" (hey, it's free!) that turns out to include a keylogger that emails all his financial information to the Ukraine, who'll he call? Enjoy!
68 posted on 06/01/2010 9:07:33 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

I do agree that a cheap machine will end up costing you more in the long run. I always buy a service plan. I even did on my daughter’s IMac Pro,

I also think that Apple’s claim of not needing anti-virus/spam ware are numbered. With Apple’s recent report of market share Google dropping Windows are enemies will discover ways to hack Apple software.


70 posted on 06/01/2010 9:22:21 AM PDT by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
But we're not in disagreement: I said Apple doesn't make cheesy entry-level crap, and clearly Compaq does. It might be instructive to consider why the Compaq costs as little as it does. First, your friend will find it absolutely festooned, stuffed to the gills, with "trialware" and "bonusware" and other form of performance-sapping, pop-up flashing, annoying intrusive insecure crap, crap that natters the user to spend money to make the annoyance go away. Compaq gets a subsidy for putting each of those gems on it. So your first job, as the friend who's gotten sucked into supporting this piece of junk, is to cleanse the machine of as much of that stuff as you can find. Oh, but some won't pop its little head up for a few weeks yet. So I hope your friend lives close by, because it'll be a while before you're done with that part of the fun. The best part is how you can show him how easy it is to reboot Windows, which you'll have to do a dozen times. Enjoy.

Your second job will be to download and install a decent anti-virus/anti-malware program (unless you succumb to the siren call and hourly pop-up come-ons from the trialware, which will ask you to pay). Gotta be sure the machine is locked-down. Be sure to teach your friend about malware and email attachments and so forth. Enjoy.

Hope you feel better after all that holier than thou venting
Now back to the real world
I will take off any trial-ware.....20 minutes time
Run msconfig and eliminate unneeded programs that start in the background when booting up
I will install Avira free anti-virus, make sure Windows Defender and Windows Firewall are turned on along with automatic updates
I will see if restore disks are included. If not we will burn the restore DVDs..... takes one hour

It takes me 80 minutes to get the new computer prepped and up and running and my friend saves about $400 by not buying an over hyped Apple product that does more than he needs
That's a good deal where I come from

72 posted on 06/01/2010 10:21:41 AM PDT by dennisw (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid - Gen Eisenhower)
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