VANITY:Just Fired Wrongly IMHO (need Christian input)

self | 5-10-10 | self

[oprahstheantichrist]

"I need a letter now of reference typed on company stationary ( I provided the copy I wanted them to use) and then said, I will wait till your secretary types it and you sign it."

Brilliant, I hadn't thought of that. He needs to turn in his phone and uniforms anyway. I can just type one up on Word and put it on a flashdrive.

[oprahstheantichrist]

"Your son’s boss is a bully."

He's most interested in "moving on" if you will, however unemployment is 12% here and the bully has threatened to ruin his future if he draws the unemployment comp to which he is lawfully entitled.

"Show up for the next shift. If he doesn’t get paid, file a complaint with the Labor Board."

A friend gave that very advice earlier in the day. Not sure if he has the stones for that one though.

Thanks for your input, bullies are also great at making us feel we're the crazy ones. I needed the sanity of others' objectivity.

[oprahstheantichrist]

"Even if an employee is horrible the employer can have their pants sued off for giving a negative reference."

I had heard that from many years ago but now wasn't sure since today he looked my son square in the eye and told him he'd wreck his career. For drawing unemployment to which he is lawfully entitled.

"Have a relative call for reference ...."

Yeah we plan to do that after a week or two. Thanks for your kind reply.

[oprahstheantichrist]

"If the company went out of business due to lack of work...."

They're not out of business, they're just drowning in red ink. Doubt they'll be around in a year or so.

I can prepare him for the unemployment ordeal, but what has him scared is that the guy threatened to trash his whole career.

"I would NOT let this go!"

Thanks for weighing in, your opinions are so valuable at this scary time.

OTAC

[dasboot]

You, sir, are a wee bit full of yourself, blinded by the noise of your own voice, and in awe of your own opinions. You’re done with me? Good! I never invited your queer rejoinders. Go in peace, I beg....silently.

[Kevmo]

The bible is full of precedent for approaching the elders of his church for a mediation. But you’ll find it to be a waste of time. It’s human nature to defend one of your own.

The faster you get over this, the better off you will be. It’s not easy to forgive, so I’ll pray that God will give you the strength. It’s one of those lessons that you’ll only really understand in eternity.

[Outlaw Woman]

You should get guidance from your preacher and/or Deacons on the correct & biblical way to handle this.

[oprahstheantichrist]

"Make it clear on the form that he did not quit but was terminated 'due to lack of work'."

Yeah, I should have been more clear, it's painfully obvious to US that they're out of work, but son's boss blamed him for the firing. Boss said other people don't like him.

"Hopefully there was a witness ...."

Nah, they're smart enough to pull their crap behind closed doors. Thanks for your help.

[oprahstheantichrist]

"I’d file for unemployment anyways and state the reason for termination was fired for insufficient work."

I apologize, I should have been more clear. It'd been painfully obvious to US that they're out of work as the crew was sent home 1-2 days every week, but son's boss blamed my son for the firing, THEN told my son "...BTW you just quit...,"

Cited that others did not like him, and my son had indeed been complaining for a long time about the "cliquee" atmosphere there, just wanted to do his work and go home. No willful misconduct though.

" IF the unememployment benefits ARE denied, I’d lodge a complaint with OSHA and the EPA and Labor Relations board."

That's the other thing, is that there were multiple ongoing violations on that stuff as well. Similar to the original LowOil post, son was routinely required to work off the clock, no lunches, no breaks. When his shop was out of work (most days lately) the crew was often shipped to an office in another state but not paid for drive time, 3+ hours each day round trip. Tough to prove though, as it's his word against theirs.

Thank you for your generous, detailed reply. I frankly had no idea what we're up against, and your wisdom is a blessing.

[oprahstheantichrist]

" your son needs to quite living off the public dole...."

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

[porter_knorr]

I’ve been on the employer’s side of fighting unemployment claims for a long time. Without written proof of warnings and outrageous behavior (like stealing, weapons, threats, etc), terminated employees get UI benefits these days. (Funniest story I have - I was on the phone for an appeals for an employee who was terminated for being flagrantly insubordinate - told his supervisor to “eff off”. The judge asked me point blank “did anyone ever tell him, not to say “eff off””. I was stunned, an said, “Should anyone have to tell me not to say that to you?” Needless to say, I lost that one, even though our employee handbook clearly defined insubordination.)

“other people don’t like him” doesn’t cut it as a reason to deny UI.

Depending on what state he is in, the termination check could have been required same day. The final check should have “final” on it, keep a copy of it - just have all the proof you can for the claim and be calm about it. Even if it had to be appealed, it’s not a difficult process.

[rawhide]

What does OP hope to accomplish by letting this linger on? Surely he does not want his job back? Is he out for revenge? Wouldn't be the Christian thing to do!
Maybe he needs to look upon this as an opportunity for God to move him in the direction he needs to go.
Just like everyone else on this thread, I offer my advice as I understand the situation to be, as to what he should do from here on out. It is up to him to decide which advice to heed.

[calex59]

God will not help him. Complaining to the Church will net him zero $ or relief. Complaining to the INS and taking it to court will get some results. God gave us free will, either you believe that or you don't believe in God. Saying God will fix it is being very naive, if he wanted to fix things he wouldn't let all the bad things that have gone on in the world since time began happen.

God expects us to help ourselves. "Then sell your garment and buy a sword!". Not an exact quote but close enough.

[presently no screen name]

Is he out for revenge?

Nowhere has he indicated that; in fact, the opposite. He was seeking for some biblical thoughts on how to handle it.

It is up to him to decide which advice to heed.

Of course, and he knows that and that is what he is doing with prayer. Sometimes God will give a word, a suggestion through others and he may read it and it may feel right within his Spirit that this is the way to go.

Ever been in a place where you have been treated unjustly and you seek out others to give some insight into it? I have many many times. Some are too prideful to do that, he isn't. But in the end, he will do what gives him more peace in his heart. And that is all biblically based - just the way he wants to handle this situation.

[presently no screen name]

Complaining to the Church

I see you have no biblical concept of what Christians are to do. First of all, it is NOT complaining - so you are starting out on a negative.

God gave us free will, either you believe that or you don't believe in God.

Christians strive to follow God's will not our own will - that's what heathens do - who do NOT know or trust God.

Oh you of little faith - God WILL help him and already has - there is NO doubt about it.

[presently no screen name]

I have to apologize for my last comment. I said ‘done with you’ I meant I was done posting; in fact, it was long over due since I was way too tired. Hope you understand. Thanks.

[Fresh Wind]

Stories of how "old Mac" once saw a fellow on the loading docks lounging around and didn't like it, so he walked up to him and asked him how much he made and was answered XXX per week. Mac calculated the amount in his head, paid the fellow cash and said he was fired. The fellow took the money and left and Mac later found out he didn't even work there, he was just a delivery man.

Seems to me this little story was posted here a few weeks ago as a joke, differing only in minor details.

Was that you who posted it?