Posted on 05/07/2010 5:06:07 PM PDT by Swordmaker
Top hit: DESIGN FOR MANUFACTURABILITY by Kenneth Crow, DRM Associates
No hits for Apple and Ive their design genius. Do *your* search with Apple and Ive included. That’s what I was showing you but it flew right past
Matter of fact I remember 68k google hits for “design for manufacturability” ....big deal...get it? Now add Apple and Ive to that search.
We probably won’t see the iFail naysayers on this thread. They were in full cry after it was announced but before it was released. The iPad was going o be Apple’s downfall.
Will they ever learn that even this, the iPad, is just another step in a longer term strategy?
Let's see... can you show us the Asian products that are as wildly successful as the Apple products . . . The iPhone is now the best selling smart phone in Japan. . . despite the nay sayers saying there were so many more phones with many more features that would blow the iPhone out of the Japanese market.
Apple didn't buy ARM, although rumors have been milling about in the UK that it might.
Apple DID buy PA Semiconductor two years ago... which licenses ARM architecture and DID design the A4 chip which is in the iPad. . . and bears Apple's name and logo.
Good for Apple if they have a great rep in Japan and Asia. The gist of my comments is——
1-—25% or so of iPad intellectual content contribution is non-Apple. Maybe more
2— You will have a hard time finding anything in an ipad that is made in USA
3— But that is not such a big indictment because the intellectual content to make an ipad is much larger and higher value than the actual manufacturing
Dennisw, Apple was one of the pioneers in "Design for Manufacturability" and "Just in Time Inventory Management," to control costs and assure minimal manufacturing and warehousing expenses.
This was especially true when Apple was doing its assembly and manufacturing in the USA and Ireland.
If you do TXnMA's Google search and just add +Apple to the search criteria, you get 30,500 hits for articles on "Design for Manufacturability" articles on Apple's contributions to that field. In other words, almost HALF of the 68K articles in a very esoteric economic sub-topic mention Apple in the articles. I would say that is a pretty significant contribution. Apple is not just innovative in products, it is innovative in how it produces those products as well.
Check out the above search. Not too good
As far as the search you specified there are 38000 hits like you said but I see lots of useless hits just in the first 100. Maybe 25 good ones that you would consider as a high school student wring about Apple and design for manufacturability.
Japs have been doing just in time inventory/delivery for manufacturing cars for eons.
writing.....
Above is a typical google hit (#33 or so) for the search “Design for manufacturability” + apple. Useless for connecting Apple with the design for manufacturability trend/movement
I’m just saying this is a very Asian thing because they are geniuses of the shop floor, setting up actual manufacturing, assembly and quality control. Not just sitting in effin Cupertino where admittedly much of the intellectual work is done
OH, BS, Dennis... Jonny Ive is a DESIGNER... not an engineer. He has ENGINEERS who work for him... who take his designs and work with him to assure that the designs DO work as Designs for Manufacturability... because of his philosophy. If his designs do not work for manufacturability, HE CHANGES THEM. It's that simple, Dennis.
And mostly, Dennis, I say SO WHAT!? You are NOT going to find much about Jonny Ive in articles about this topic, although he is the VP in charge of design at Apple, it is not his specific area of expertise... even when you have 30,500 articles out of 68,000 that mention Apple prominently.
Several years ago, in the 1990s, the Japanese were visiting the Apple plants to observe and learn about how Apple was implementing "Just in Time Inventory Control"... it was reported in the national business news. Quit making things up.
Dennis, unless you have done exhaustive research of the ~30,500 Google hits for that search, you cannot claim that is "typical" at all. Again, you are making things up.
I know Apple didn’t buy ARM. But someone posted that Apple designed their own CPU for the iPad. That’s flat out wrong.
They probably kept the PA Semi staff to use their SoC design experience acquired designing applications based on the PowerPC (formerly fantastic and wonderful, but now the spawn of Satan since Apple ditched it). Chances are the power management silicon/software they devised would apply directly to any ARM system.
I’ve designed both ARM and PowerPC based systems in FPGAs. In fact, I could have my LLC’s name silkscreened on the ARM based ICs if I wanted. That doesn’t mean I am in the business of designing my own CPU’s. About 80% of that ARM FPGA was pretty much standard IP for ARM systems with about 20% of my “custom logic” (basically glorified peripheral interfaces ... nothing extravagant :-) ). Apple would be downright foolish to create their own CPU anyway ... hell, any company these days would be dumb to do that.
What they weren’t foolish to do is create their own SoC for virtually any future iDevice on their roadmap thereby driving the cost of their core silicon for processing down drastically. They now have an insurance policy against device obsolescence for years to come too :-). Couple that with the fact that people will overpay for Apple devices, well, they’ll just keep growing and growing and growing .... just like Apple board member Al Gore Jr. :-)!
” Apple didn’t buy ARM, although rumors have been milling about in the UK that it might. “
I think this would be a silly move on Apple’s part if true. The silicon IP business has little to do with Apple’s core business ... I know I could be wrong, but it would really not mesh well with Apple’s current business strategy. Then again, stranger things have happened. People think AMD buying ATi was stupid, but I’ve always looked at that as a more long term investment on their part.
It's a rumor... such rumors with five bucks will get you some coffee at Starbucks...
Toyota + “design for manufacturability” gets 33k hits. Just thought you might like to know
Dell gets 23000
HP gets 45000
95%+ of the ipad is made in Commie China and Taiwan.
At first, I said.... "Naaahhh... couldn't be!" But, then again, on second thought -- I realized what was going on there.
I mean, considering all the absolute junk that comes out of Communist China (and believe me, I sure have seen it, as it's all over the place in just about every store I go into; I can't get away from it...) -- and how I hate that Chinese junk and how lousy it is and how it is absolute junk and absolutely worthless.
BUT, I came to realize that if "one company" was going to teach those Chinese Commies "how to do it right" and make something "of quality" -- that would be Apple, for sure! [the other companies just sell their junk "as is", but not Apple...]
AND what do you know! The first item I've ever seen come out of China that is worth anything, that is "quality" -- is an Apple product. Yep, Apple is the company to finally teach those Chinese Commies how to make something that is "worth something" .. doncha know ... :-)
And I kept "reading around" and I found a couple of paragraphs in Wikipedia's article on iPods about "worker exploitation" and I was just about getting ready to "jump on Apple" for that, ya know... [I was going to turn into a "dennisw" ... LOL ...]
BUT, when I heard that they weren't American workers that Apple was "exploiting" but Chinese workers ... Boy! Was I ever happy to hear the good news! ... :-)
Thank goodness, if Apple is going to exploit any group of workers, that they aren't American workers but the Chinese Commie workers. It couldn't happen to a better group of workers, than those Communist Chinese.
HOWEVER, can you then imagine my great disappointment to hear that Apple actually tried to do something about that and help those Commie workers ... (oh... those buggers, down at "Apple", the nerve they have trying to help those poor Commie workers ...).
Allegations of worker exploitation
On 11 June 2006, the British tabloid The Mail on Sunday reported that iPods are mainly manufactured by workers who earn no more than US$50 per month and work 15-hour shifts. Apple investigated the case with independent auditors and found that, while some of the plant's labour practices met Apple's Code of Conduct, others did not: Employees worked over 60 hours a week for 35% of the time, and worked more than six consecutive days for 25% of the time.
Foxconn, Apple's manufacturer, initially denied the abuses, but when an auditing team from Apple found that workers had been working longer hours than were allowed under Chinese law, they promised to prevent workers working more hours than the code allowed. Apple hired a workplace standards auditing company, Verité, and joined the Electronic Industry Code of Conduct Implementation Group to oversee the measures. On 31 December 2006, workers at the Foxconn factory in Longhua, Shenzhen formed a union affiliated with the All-China Federation of Trade Unions.
BUT... can you imagine my further disappointment to hear that not only is Apple using that same company who has been exploiting those poor Chinese workers, but other companies are also exploiting them, at this very same manufacturing company that Apple uses .... like ...
Microsoft, and Intel, and Sony, Motorola, and Dell, and Hewlett-Packard, and Zoostorm, and Nintendo, and Amazon, and Cisco
-- at the very same Communist Chinese Company ... [ my God! ...] in regards to these some of these products --
computers from Dell and HP, motherboards Intel and Zoostorm, Playstation 2, Wii, Xbox 360, cell phones for Motorola, Amazon Kindle, Cisco equipment...
Good grief!
"dennisw" -- I sure hope you're jumping in on the Microsoft threads, and the Hewlett Packard threads, and the Sony threads and the Motorola threads and the Dell threads, and the Zoostorm threads and the Nintendo threads and the Amazon threads and the Cisco threads ... and going after all those other characters ...
I mean..., we need someone here on Free Republic to go after all -- other threads on Free Republic -- and those bozo companies, who are using those poor Communist Chinese workers and exploiting them, doncha know ...
Among other things, Foxconn produces the Mac mini, the iPod, the iPad, and the iPhone for Apple Inc.; Intel-branded motherboards for Intel Corp.; various orders for American computer manufacturers Dell and Hewlett-Packard; motherboards for UK computer manufacturer Zoostorm; the PlayStation 2 and PlayStation 3 for Sony; the Wii for Nintendo; the Xbox 360 for Microsoft, cell phones for Motorola, the Amazon Kindle, and Cisco equipment.
Of course the same is true for the others too. But the ipad is hailed as the triumph of an American company. Hey! We aced the Asians on this one! Hooboy!
Reality is ipad and components are 90+% made and assembled in Asia. That’s an educated guess by the way
But (as I posted) the ipad is a product that contains a lot more intellectual contributions rather than manufacturing....Apple can rightfully take credit for most of the design and engineering and OS/software. My guess puts that number at 75%. Asians doing the other 25%
So smile and be happy like Bobby MacFerrin used to sing and like a fanboi should be
“ipad demand outstrips supply!!!!!”
Esteban Jobs send the orders from down on high, “Crank up those Taiwan and China assembly lines!” “Pay them 25% more and an extra bowl of rice and some of the ass end of a roasted duck”
So smile and be happy like Bobby MacFerrin used to sing and like a fanboi should be
Now...., if you aren't posting to the fanboi club for these others ... ummmm... it's like I was saying ... ya know ...
"dennisw" -- I sure hope you're jumping in on the Microsoft threads, and the Hewlett Packard threads, and the Sony threads and the Motorola threads and the Dell threads, and the Zoostorm threads and the Nintendo threads and the Amazon threads and the Cisco threads ... and going after all those other characters ...
If not... then I would get down to your local shrink and or doctor and check out "OCD" ... :-)
Obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD) is a mental disorder characterized by intrusive thoughts that produce anxiety, by repetitive behaviors aimed at reducing anxiety, or by a combination of such thoughts (obsessions) and behaviors (compulsions). The symptoms of this anxiety disorder may include repetitive hand-washing; extensive hoarding; preoccupation with sexual or aggressive impulses, or with particular religious beliefs; aversion to odd numbers; and nervous habits, such as opening a door and closing it a certain number of times before one enters or leaves a room. These symptoms can be alienating and time-consuming, and often cause severe emotional and economic loss. The acts of those who have OCD may appear paranoid and come across to others as psychotic. However, OCD sufferers generally recognize their thoughts and subsequent actions as irrational, and they may become further distressed by this realization.
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