Posted on 05/07/2010 4:23:40 PM PDT by Colofornian
STOP with THE STOPPING STOPS already - you 2!
By posting SCRIPTURE it has produced?
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I said earlier:
Personally, I think that it’s just him trying to scare people away from Mormonism and into the arms of his brand of Christianity
Colofornian replied with:
There ya go again, trying to speak on my behalf as to what my motivations are. (What? Did I hire you as my spokesman?) Do you enjoy reading my mind?
I say now:
Sorry to have confused you Colorfornian with words like “I think.” I didn’t say anything was your motives, just what they could be. That is what “I think” means.
But what I find interesting is that while you accuse me of reading your mind AND declaring your motives as if I truly knew, you are doing the very same things to me. You declare, as a fact, what I am doing.
So Colofornian, before you try removing the mote you believe is in my eye, please, please, please, please, look at what might be in your eye.
Colofornian finally lets go with a screaming fit:
IF YOU THINK I SHOULD BE MORE FORWARD ABOUT THE ‘SIN IN THE CAMP’ OF CHRISTIANS, THEN, PLEASE, I SIMPLY REQUEST THAT YOU SET THE EXAMPLE FOR ME; START POSTING THREADS ABOUT LDS SCANDALS.
I, terrified and quivering in my boots, reply:
Hmmm, you rant and rave about us Mormon and you only post article about how terrible we are and still refuse to say word one to anybody about the skeletons in your closet. You hold us to one standard, but hold your own to a different standard.
If you haven’t noticed Mr. “Let’s Expose Our Neighbors’ Sins To the World and Hide All The Good Things They Do, While Doing Just the Exact Opposite for Us,” you seem very much a hypocrite to me by your actions.
You ask me to talk with you, but which is better, to talk to somebody or to watch their actions. Actions speak louder and clearer than words. You want me to do the same as you, but I really have no desire to do that. I don’t look pointing out the evils of others or what I deem as their evils very often and very seldom do.
The simple fact that you only talk about the evils of Mormons and never say word one about the evils of “true” Christians© nor do you ever say anything about the good things Mormons do point to an probable underlying layer of anger and/or hatred of Mormons with a good heap of fear thrown in.
BTW, “worry” can mean “to torment oneself with or suffer from disturbing thoughts.” It can also mean “to be concerned for.”
BTW, have you ever thought about pinging me or do I have to ping you?
Just tossing it back to ya!
Urroner. Please. My point was simple on this. If you speaking about me (mentioning me, as you were in your post to svcw)...it's simply common internet courtesy to also ping the person you're talking about. You didn't. If I didn't review that thread, I wouldn't know it, and in some cases, it can lead to talking about another "behind their back" -- tantamount to gossip. That's not so hard to ask, is it?
The simple fact that you only talk about the evils of Mormons and never say word one about the evils of “true” Christians© nor do you ever say anything about the good things Mormons do point to an probable underlying layer of anger and/or hatred of Mormons with a good heap of fear thrown in.
You know, I've asked you and suggested repeatedly that you quit superimposing motives within me. You don't know my heart. The Bible says only God knows the inside of us -- that man looks only upon the outward part -- but only God knows the inside. Please, I ask you again, in this way, to follow the Bible you say you subscribe to (1 Sam. 16:7). Don't your guesswork about additional motivations as applicable to me. I don't hate Mormons; I have Mormon family.
They've been very nice to me. They are great people relationally. The Lord loves them, just like He loves you. You -- and them -- and all Mormons -- are people of great value whom the Lord proved your worth by dying on the cross for you. I am not angry. No Mormon has betrayed me. There's no bitterness. There's no revenge motive. Nothing of the sort.
If you look at whom the Lord practiced "tough love" upon, it was the Pharisees and legalistic teachers & scribes. He comforted the afflicted; and afflicted the religiously comfortable. He did not go to the Gentiles; He kept His focus on the lost children of Israel; but then sent His disciples to a broader circle.
Likewise, if you want to know why I focus primarily on Lds at this stage of my life, well, just ask yourself: "How many Lds missionaries spend 30 hours a week in one state and 30 hours in the same week in another state? Colofornian finally lets go with a screaming fit:
Hey, I concede I was loud & boistrous (screaming, no) -- and I did say "PLEASE."
As to how I respond to "closeted" scandalous behavior among Christians, #1, don't assume FR is my only venue of providing feedback. (It's a misguided assumption). #2, as I indicated, when the closet may be in our own house, we deal with it best by going directly to the person. (I'm not going to rent the Goodyear Blimp & send a message that way, or rent a plane to fly across the sky carrying a banner).
YOU are the one who keeps urging me to air dirty laundry within the Christian community -- yet I don't see Mormons airing dirty laundry within the Mormon community. You keep urging me to commit to an action that you yourself refuse to assume. Hence, that is a double standard -- sheer hypocrisy. (Bottom line: Don't ask people to do something you are not willing to do yourself)
You have now, by mentioning that Lafayette youth pastor and the ELCA denomination, attempted to air out our Christian closets. (Therefore, doesn't that also deserve you airing out a proportionate "single" airing of dirty laundry in the Mormon church?) If not, why not? You say I do one side, but not the other. Well, what about you? You've done one side, now are you going to do the other?
YOU are the one who says there should be "balanced coverage." Since this is YOUR standard (not mine), you should practice what you preach and follow that standard.
Bottom line, Urroner, you know as well as I do that both versions of the gospel -- Christian and Mormon -- involve calling people to repentance. When sin is in the camp, you call people to repentance.
You don't know my history. So don't assume I haven't had my "seasons" of calling Christians to repentance (past, present or future).
A future Mormon missionary may be somebody on the BYU campus who attempts to be a "spiritual sparkplug" and challenges fellow roommates to repentance. If he leaves on a mission for two years, it would be utterly ridiculous to accuse him of, "Hey, Elder XYZ, why don't you go back to Provo and challenge your fellow students to repentance there! Stop being a hyprocrite. Be consistent!"
#1, he already was; and #2, who's to say he won't when he returns? But for two years, he is in a distinct "season" of focus.
Can't you understand that? Why is this such a difficult concept for you to embrace? Why does it bother you so much that you don't know my complete life? Are you just so itching to know so that you can complete your judgment of me?
If I weren't married, I'd go out with you. Wait, you're a guy, right? :-)
LOL!
I'm really flattered but my wife wouldn't like it. :-)
Regardless, is it safe to assume he did not have both hands on the wheel?
I have three names. Don't you? :-)
On the contrary. this story has successfully started an argument, complete with religious bigotry and personal attacks.
Over 107 posts, and I venture to guess it will double in size, at least.
My husband frowns upon that too, LOL!
Well, maybe we’ll see you around at the non-denominational Christian, pick-up truck driver’s book club meeting. We walk there :-)
Colofornian, you have asked me to treat you with respect and quit superimposing motives upon your actions, but your actions are superimposing motives upon me just being a Mormon AND a Christian. Why should I treat you any better than you treat me?
By only posting articles about Mormon or probable Mormons who do bad things, you are stating that Mormons are bad.
Colofornian said:
#2, as I indicated, when the closet may be in our own house, we deal with it best by going directly to the person. (I’m not going to rent the Goodyear Blimp & send a message that way, or rent a plane to fly across the sky carrying a banner).
I say:
You say that you don’t want to air the family’s closet in public, but at the same time you say that there are Mormons in your family. There is a disconnect in there somewhere Colofornian.
You said:
Likewise, if you want to know why I focus primarily on Lds at this stage of my life, well, just ask yourself: “How many Lds missionaries spend 30 hours a week in one state and 30 hours in the same week in another state?
I ask:
What are you talking about?
Colofornian said:
YOU are the one who keeps urging me to air dirty laundry within the Christian community...
I say:
The only reason I say anything about you airing dirty Christian© laundry is because you seem to think that by airing dirty Mormon laundry is helping your cause. It isn’t.
Colofornian said”
Bottom line, Urroner, you know as well as I do that both versions of the gospel — Christian and Mormon...
I say:
You forgot to put the “©” after Christian.
Colofornian said:
Why does it bother you so much that you don’t know my complete life? Are you just so itching to know so that you can complete your judgment of me?
I say:
Tell you what Colofornian, you stop itching to judge me and mine and then I will return the favor. You have judged me and found me wanting. I have applied the same standards to you and, by these same standards, you have been found wanting also. Of course, I think those standards are silly. It’s not the Bible standards you are judging me by, the standards you impose upon me are “your interpretation of the Bible and your own concept of God” standards and before you go off, lambasting me for being a silly Mormon who doesn’t understand God nor the Bible, and how my standards are all screwy simply because I’m Mormon, I suffer from the same problems. This is why I don’t go around trying to find skeletons in other people’s closets.
If you would just take a breath and look at most of my posts, I am not judging you nor your beliefs, rather I judge the way you are trying to get your point across, IOW, it’s about the weakness in your arguments.
Not that I would admit to.
23for ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, (including all Mormons)
6 ALL of us [including Mormons] have become like one who is unclean,
and ALL our righteous acts are like filthy rags;
we all shrivel up like a leaf,
and like the wind our sins sweep us away. (Isaiah 64:6) [Like the sins often depicted by journalists]
16"For God so loved the world [including Mormons -- including the man arrested in the story of this thread] that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
1 For Zion's sake I will not keep silent,
for Jerusalem's sake I will not remain quiet,
till her righteousness shines out like the dawn,
her salvation like a blazing torch.
2 The nations will see your righteousness,
and all kings your glory;
you will be called by a new name
that the mouth of the LORD will bestow.
3 You will be a crown of splendor in the LORD's hand,
a royal diadem in the hand of your God.
4 No longer will they call you Deserted, [like Deseret]
or name your land Desolate.
But you will be called Hephzibah,
and your land Beulah;
for the LORD will take delight in you,
and your land will be married.
5 As a young man marries a maiden,
so will your sons marry you;
as a bridegroom rejoices over his bride,
so will your God rejoice over you.
6 I have posted watchmen on your walls, O Jerusalem;
they will never be silent day or night.
(Isaiah 62:1-6)
As the prophet Isaiah said --
God desires for our righteousness to shine like the dawn, but its too dim coming from us.
God desires our salvation to be a blazing torch, but those who claim good works for their salvation has a fire that has gone out.
God desires that the nations see our righteousness; but among too many "religious legalists" instead, they see scandals and criminals
God desires for kings to see our glory, and in Christ Jesus only, they will
God desires to give you a new name other than Deseret
God desires to give you a new bridegroom -- Himself/His Son (2 Cor. 11:2; Eph. 5:23-32; Rev. 19:7-9; Rev. 21:2,9; Rev. 22:17)
The Family that is forever is His family -- not individual covenants made between a man and his wives. Jesus' Name is our identity, not Mormon.
30It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. (1 Cor. 1:30)
Only Jesus Christ can be OUR righteousness, OUR holiness, and OUR redemption. Any other claim to righteousness, holiness, or redemption is empty and is self-boasting (Eph. 2:8-9).
"The Spirit and the Bride say 'Come!'" (Rev. 22:17)
Repent of religiosity and be born from above. The fruit of mere religion has been shown for what it is by the truth of journalists. I did not craft cleverly depicted tales of sin and great unrighteousness. None of it originated with me. But you seek to turn this into the focus of the messenger alone.
Ask yourself if 1,000 different posters had posted these articles I posted. Would it change the truth of the people who are depicted in those stories? Face the truth. Face the fruit of unrighteousness in these articles.
Repent, oh Deseret:
38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, EVERY ONE OF YOU, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call." (Acts 2:38-39)
Have you received the gift of the Holy Spirit? He is worth more as a gift than to bear the title, "Mormon." Receive His promise. Do it on behalf of your children and their children. Don't let them come to grieve the errors of your ways.
kiatt
I love it when people use scriptures as weapons to justify their anger and intolerance.
Yes, I have the gift of the HG, do you?
See post #89, airborne.
I remember a coworker telling about going into the men's room at some gas station, and a guy was doing the handjive in the stall - door open.
The wanker said, "Here I am *******off, and there you are looking at me....."
Nah...
Just merely countering some of the LDS PR machine that wants to present MORMONism as MORE wholesome than anything else on the planet.
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