Labradoodle Pioneer Regrets Fashioning 'Designer Dog'

foxnews ^ | May 02, 2010

[JoeProBono]

THE man who bred the first labradoodle - and in the process made the mutt a desirable accessory - says it's the great regret of his life. The coveted accessory has pushed out other breeds in terms of desirability.

[mojitojoe]

Bingo!

[Salamander]

Anything for you, buddy......:)

[Salamander]

Thanks again, Tallguy.

You’re a veritable voice of reason......;)

[Salamander]

Tax chick is cool with it, Joe...she saved a Greyhound and Tallguy said much better what I was trying to explain.....;)

[Tax-chick]

I explained that in 138, but I guess it didn’t get through. I miss posts sometimes, too.

[Fire_on_High]

Not quite the point I was addressing, but a good one nonetheless.

[mojitojoe]

There are lots of health issues associated with Labradors and Poodles and ultimately Labradoodles if people are not careful.

GPRA = Generalised Progressive Retinal Atrophy in simple terms ‘night blindness’

CPRA = Central Progressive Retinal Atrophy ‘daytime blindness’

HD = Hip Dysplasia, the hip is made up of a ball and socket joint, clearly anything that goes wrong with this close association of one bone with another, in this case the femur (thigh bone) and the pelvis (hip) leads to disability

ED = Elbow Dysplasia

OCD = Osteochondritis Dissecans. This disorder occurs when calcification does not follow cartilage growth. The cartilage continues to grow, becomes thicker than normal, and vessels from the bone marrow are unable to penetrate

SA = Sebaceous Adenitis is a hereditary skin disease, visible symptoms are thickening skin, scales, excessive production of dandruff (hyperkeratosis), patchy hair loss, and often secondary infections accompanied by a musty odor
While SA may be an autoimmune disease, it is recessive in its mode of inheritance, requiring defective genes from both sire and dam. Currently it appears to be a simple autosomal recessive, meaning it is transmitted by a single gene from each parent and not sex linked. Such genetically produced diseases cannot be cured, but they can be treated and can be bred away from. For further information on SA please visit this link

ADDISONS DISEASE (Hypoadrenocorticism) is a rare but serious disorder of the endocrine system caused by the gradual destruction of the cortex of the adrenal gland, most commonly by the body’s immune system. (Cancer, haemorrhage, or certain drugs can also cause adrenocortical destruction.) The result is a decrease in production of glucocorticoids and mineralocorticoids - adrenal hormones that are necessary for a wide range of body functions. Deficient production of these hormones produces a diverse array of clinical signs, many of them vague.
Both Standard Poodles and Labradors are breeds that appear to have an increased risk for this rare disorder.

http://www.creamofbritishdoodles.moonfruit.com/#/health-issues/4520086139

[Salamander]

LOL!

I’ll read one post, whip out my daggers and make a complete ass outta myself and then realize the issue was resolved 100 posts *back*!

(I’ve really gotta work on reading - everything - before I go all “Cujo” on folks)...... ;^D

[Tax-chick]

I spoke in favor of anti-smoking laws once ... 400 posts later, I was ready to cut my fingers off.

On this thread, I started out asking, in effect, what was wrong with the operation of the free market. You, among others, explained what was wrong with the operation of the free market. Learning experiences ... what we’re here for!

[Salamander]

I wish some of the Dobe folks would take it to heart.

One sinfully famous top winning sire died of DCM not long ago and his owners are -still- selling his frozen semen... even after he’d already sired hundreds of champions while alive.

$1000 a pop.... Reckon they can’t resist that.

DCM is the -big- thing fanciers were tring to squash.

Not even all the Euro imports will help much now......:(

[Salamander]

Yes ma’am!

;)

[mojitojoe]

Don’t feel bad, I do the same thing. It helps to see how long the thread is first. LOL

[mojitojoe]

Do you show your Dobe? Beautiful dog! We used to have a red Dobie and she was a great dog. We had her bred once because it was in the contract and the breeder wanted a pup. We finished her, bred her once, then had her spayed. Our daughter was 2 when we got her and never one sign of aggression. She loved the kids. Strangers coming to the door, not so loving.
We have a rare, smaller breed now. Still showing, never breeding unless they finish. So far only one litter. That was quite enough for a while. Lots of work.

[Tax-chick]

We have bearded dragons, and one is very large and a desirable color. We were thinking of getting a yellow or orange female and breeding them, but the darn things can have up to 50 babies at a time, all having to be hand-fed tiny crickets nonstop to keep them from eating each other!

We decided to skip dragon-breeding, for now.

[Kimmers]

Okay that pup is too cute .......really is a neat picture.....

[Salamander]

It would do no good to try and show him in the US.

He is a perfect specimen of the -original- "four-square and firm" body type but the current "kick" is light-boned, "elegant", extreme and over-angulated Dobes who stack looking like Tennessee Walkers and tend to "crab sideways" at the trot because there's just no place for all that "extra" hind leg to go, naturally.

A good *old* breed judge would appreciate him. One into "fashion" would toss him out of the ring post-haste.

It's a tragedy, really.

His pedigree reads like a "who's who" of the great foundation Dobes.

[I've researched it back into the 1930s]

Here is a dog repreated *many* times in his pedigree, [and *the* blood line I was hunting for] the great Hertog Alpha LeDobry:

He was a prepotent sire and always "bred true" as you can see how much "Bubby" resembles him, even 4 generations gone by.

If only he'd been standing with his legs back instead of bunched under him, ready to take off, you could "overlay" the photos and get a near perfect match.

This breeder preserves the line.

http://www.ledobryhollanders.nl/engdobersalpha.html

And here is what is "hot" today:

This dog ~is~ lovely but it is *not* what Louis Dobermann carefully and meticulously created.

This is an original diagram showing *exactly* the mathematical perfection required of the first Dobermanns.

Times have certainly changed, which is why I made I made a point of hunting for and buying a European linebred.

[Arizona Carolyn]

Our friends adopted one at the humane society two years ago, he is adorable, smart and friendly.. I babysat last week, was sooooo glad to have him go home, I’m too used to my small cockers and he had them traumatized, especially one of my three since he wanted all her toys and would tear them up, she thinks of them as her babies and was beside herself, I finally had to pick them all up and put them in the laundry, he’s a great dog, but a person has to want a very high energy dog.

[Salamander]

“can have up to 50 babies at a time, all having to be hand-fed tiny crickets nonstop to keep them from eating each other!”

Well...now there’s some nice nightmare fodder, right there.

LOL!

[Salamander]

I can never remember if it’s “look before you leap....or leap before you look”.

Eh...WTH....I just go jumping in....LOL

[mojitojoe]

Yes, they have changed quite a bit, same with German Shepherds. The current Siamese and Persian cats bear little resemblance to the breeds 50 years ago. Persians can barely breathe now. Breeds should be changed to improve the breed, movement, top line, etc. NOT to please judges and breeders that have a different idea of what the breed should look like which often results in changing the standard to a less sound and healthy dog or cat.
My dogs are a very old breed and the breeders are dedicated to NOT changing them, so far, at least.