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To: Persevero

Emotion and reason are present in both.

The question is what part do they play. If you use emotion to form your view of how the universe is put together, its seems that’s very shaky ground.

If you walk out to your car, and you have a long trip planned, and the tank is empty, all the praying and wishing in the world won’t fill the tank. You need to put gas in that car to take the trip. Only reason will tell you what’s needed to make the car go, not emotionalism.

In the same way, when you think about the universe, you can think it would be great that someone was in charge, you can wish it, you can want it, but the level of your wishing and wanting does not determine the structure of atoms, the nature of gravity, etc. That stuff is found out by using reason to figure things out.

The only way to square this problem and still believe in God is, apply one set of rules to the universe, and another set of rules to your emotional and spiritual thinking about the universe. Its a way of perpetuating two different sets of rules in order to change the part of the universe where you don’t like what you observe, the emotional and spiritual realm, to something more in line with your emotions, the philosophical equivalent of wishing for gas to make your care move.


154 posted on 04/30/2010 5:00:39 AM PDT by NYCslicker
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To: NYCslicker

“The only way to square this problem and still believe in God is, apply one set of rules to the universe, and another set of rules to your emotional and spiritual thinking about the universe.”

I’ll disagree there, because I don’t believe matter is eternal. I believe God is eternal. So, Jesus is Lord of atoms, and the universe, and every blade of grass. He has set everything up, and has systems in place, such as the water cycle and gravity and DNA and every other thing we can think of. These are His ordinary means.

Any thing that occurs outside the regular systems God has in place is called a “miracle.” “Miracles” include such things as raising the dead, creating the universe out of nothing, or ascending into heaven on a chariot of fire.

If gas suddenly appeared in my empty tank, that would be a “miracle.” If I prayed for help and God sent along the CHP, or I was strengthened enough to walk to the nearest pay phone and got ahold of a friend, or a taxi came by and I flagged it down, that would be God using ordinary means.

I don’t believe getting emotional will ever fill my tank, and I don’t think any orthodox Christian would say so, either. Nor does the Bible teach that we should rely upon our emotions - actually it warns us to rely on God alone, not upon ourselves. Emotionalism is not promoted or prescribed.


178 posted on 04/30/2010 1:14:53 PM PDT by Persevero (If man evolved from monkeys and apes, why do we still have monkeys and apes?)
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