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1 posted on 04/23/2010 12:22:15 PM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

It sounds as though the liberals’, “There Is No Wrong Answer” Math system isn’t working out. LOL!


2 posted on 04/23/2010 12:25:23 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Constitution!)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Thats the truth.

They do not want the kids to learn too quickly, they’d all be out of cushy jobs.


3 posted on 04/23/2010 12:25:27 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com << Get your science fiction and fiction test marketed)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

The “new” math came out for us in the late 60s, early 70s in florida. It’s why I can barely add 2 + 2 and get 5.


4 posted on 04/23/2010 12:28:42 PM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

It would disqualify them from government jobs and those are the only ones being created.


5 posted on 04/23/2010 12:32:48 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

New Math was mostly the result of dumbed down teachers, who didn’t know HOW to teach.

They wanted a shortcut. A ‘new’ and ‘easier’ way to do math.

Sorry, there is only one way.


8 posted on 04/23/2010 12:36:46 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: AmishDude

pingaroo


9 posted on 04/23/2010 12:37:07 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Math be “acting white”.


11 posted on 04/23/2010 12:37:58 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

A kid educated in the 1930’s to the 8th grade level is smater than 90% of all High School Graduates today when it comes to the Math, History, English, and Science.

Sad to say but true.


15 posted on 04/23/2010 12:41:05 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

When I read this, I can’t figure out (no pun intended) whether the problem is Math or English.


16 posted on 04/23/2010 12:42:27 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Build a man a fire; he'll be warm for a night. Set a man on fire; he'll be warm the rest of his life)
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To: Freee-dame; maica

Old Math Ping


19 posted on 04/23/2010 12:44:04 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
A few pages later we learn that "Principles of numeration cannot be developed effectively if confusion exists regarding the terms `number' and `numeral.' They are not synonymous. A number is a concept, an abstraction. A numeral is a symbol, a name for a number."

Wow. I remember that from the mid 1970s. There was an obsession with the difference between the numerals and numbers, which really wasn't appropriate for 2nd and 3rd graders. Similary, there was waaaaay too much set theory which we spent weeks on, which could be cranked out in a couple of days in high school but little kids just aren't ready for it.

20 posted on 04/23/2010 12:44:23 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Obamacare: The 2010 version of the Intolerable Acts.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
“”Other topics introduced in the New Math include modular arithmetic, algebraic inequalities, matrices, symbolic logic, Boolean algebra and abstract algebra.”

“On page 13 the authors boast, “The language and ideas of sets are begun in kindergarten and carried through all further study of mathematics as a unifying thread.””

I don't see what's wrong with this in principle. All of these are deeply important and fundamental concepts in math and science (except modular arithemetic, which I don't recognize). Perhaps elementary school is too early. But I homeschool. And my son understands condititional probabilities and algebraic inequalities in 4th grade. The amount of time between 1st and 6th grade for math allows for MUCH more material beyond addition, subtraction, multiplication, division and fractions.

What is wrong with teaching set theory? It's straightforward and very important.

None of these subject matters introduce subjective, no wrong answer, type concepts. There is always a right answer and a wrong answer when you OR two boolean numbers. There is a right answer when you union two sets.

That said, there is a huge difference between the idea and the implementation of the idea. Obviously, the education establishment goofed up badly in implementing these ideas.

35 posted on 04/23/2010 1:19:06 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
My husband and I were asked by our denomination's leaders to join the Spanish congregation in our county. Every Tuesday evening we help with tutoring the kids in the congregation.

NONE of our kids have mastered phonics. Some do not know even the basic letter sounds. Many do not know the sounds for common phonic combinations such as “ing”, “str”, “th” etc. There parents can not help them with this because Spanish is far more straight forward in its spelling an pronunciation that Spanish. If the Anglo kids in the county are learning phonics it because their parents are knowingly or unknowingly teaching phonics in the home, or paying for expensive tutoring.

Arithmetic is a DISGRACE! None of the kids know their math facts for addition, subtraction, multiplication, or division. None know any algorithm for addition and subtraction. None are able to carry the value of 10 from the ten's column to the one’s column.

A few weeks ago, I tutored a twelve year old with her fraction homework. She had been assigned about 40 problems of adding and subtraction mixed fractions.

**She did not know what the numerator and denominator represented.
** She added and subtracted with her fingers.
** To multiply and divide she drew little dots on the page to group.
** She did not know any algorithm for either multiplication or division.
** She did not know any of the addition, subtraction, multiplication, or division math facts.

In other words, her so-called “professional” teacher sent her home with homework that was IMPOSSIBLE for her to do. This is EDUCATIONAL MALPRACTICE AND CHILD ABUSE! It is no different than taking a beginner skier to the top of the mountain and pushing them off a double black diamond trail!

Why would a “professional” teacher mistreat a child in this way????

The tension on the faces of these children is plain to see. Every day is a day of failure in school. Every evening is a exercise in frustration. And...They get pressure from their parents who wrongly believe that American schools use similar methods that they ( the parents) enjoyed in their Third World primitive ( but effective) schools! The parents are utterly befuddled that their children are doing so poorly.

I am CONVINCED that the government schools in my county are nothing but education abuse factories. If any Anglo child is learning it is because his parents are AFTERSCHOOLING!!! Any learning a child picks up it entirely due to his parents efforts in teaching the basics and his own hard work IN THE HOME!!!

In the past, when a child who did not speak English entered school, he repeated the year. This gave the child a chance to learn English and then the following year he was able to proceed and move forward again with his education. Now, those who can not speak English are put in the grade that corresponds to their age. This **guarantees** that the child will NOT be able to keep up with the class, and it is very likely that he will NEVER catch up! Is this dumb or what?

Finally...This girl that I tutored was given 40 problems as homework. That would have been my homeschooling children's assignment for the ENTIRE DAY! Essentially what our schooled children are doing is going to school all day, and then being asked to do HOMESCHOOLING again in the evening! If a child has to do as much homework as my homeschoolers did all day, then what point is there in sending a kid to school???

( not proof read)

36 posted on 04/23/2010 1:19:32 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Calculators and Computers, that’s why. Takes away the need for rote memorization, but that’s how a lot of math concepts become ingrained.


42 posted on 04/23/2010 1:26:28 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
"Addition is an operation on two addends to produce a result called the sum. Subtraction is an operation for finding an unknown addend if the sum and one addend are known."

Makes perfect sense to me and I'm not a math guy.

50 posted on 04/23/2010 1:46:17 PM PDT by CholeraJoe ("And the pony looked a little bored...")
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
Why Americans Can't Do Arithmetic

For 50% of them, it's because they think this is six inches:



57 posted on 04/23/2010 2:47:44 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

This is how they tried to teach me. I was completely confused and my parents did not understand how to help me. They taught me arithmetic and it has served me well. I have a deep mistrust of the educational system to this day from my bad experience with the “New Math and Educational System.” I never went to high school, I got my GED and have done very well.


59 posted on 04/23/2010 3:49:47 PM PDT by Pilated
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To: Peanut Gallery

ping


68 posted on 04/23/2010 4:45:52 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Conservative States of America has a nice ring to it.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

“New math” is still screwing up millions of kids today under the name “Reform” - many states have adopted the NCTM standards which amount to the same thing. I call it Moonbat Math. Kids taught under this system never actually learn to do any math, but they do learn to manipulate blocks really well.


76 posted on 04/23/2010 6:40:37 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Nope. Not gonna do it.)
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