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To: Forty-Niner

The Founders did NOT use Vittal’s as a Bible. They used Blackstone more often than Vittal, since Blackstone was more authoritative.

Common law at the time included the Case of the Post-nati:

http://app.libraryofliberty.org/?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=911&chapter=106337&layout=html&Itemid=27

Also, see here:

http://aleksandreia.wordpress.com/2010/03/01/birthers-the-original-meaning-of-natural-born-citizen/

If he is correct, Vittal’s didn’t mention NBC until 1797.


367 posted on 04/20/2010 7:49:01 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Mr Rogers

Really? I thought Vittal’s Law of Nations was published in 1757? Are you telling me that 40 years later he wrote a revision?

I thought he was dead!

I’ll look it up to be sure.

Library of Liberty.org?
aleksandreia.wordpress.com?

Have a more mainstream link? I don’t make a habit of visiting fringe websites. Won’t here either....nice try.... no cigar....


398 posted on 04/20/2010 8:51:48 PM PDT by Forty-Niner ((.))
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To: Mr Rogers

“The Founders did NOT use Vittal’s as a Bible. They used Blackstone more often than Vittal, since Blackstone was more authoritative.”

Pure BS...un/mis informed opinion.....

Blackstone uses the term “Subjects”

Vittal uses the term “Citizens”

The Constitution uses the term “Citizens”

Makes ya think doesn’t it? Why aren’t we American Subjects?

Vittal was a well respected 18th century jurist and thinker.... Vittal’s text was in continious printing until 1880s.....yet you think he is less respected than Blackstones? Ok, you’re entitled to your opinion....LOL

“If he is correct, Vittal’s didn’t mention NBC until 1797”

Looked it up....Vittal was born in 1714, noted jurist, wrote Law of Nations in 1758, died in 1767.....

He had been dead 30 years in 1797....aleksandreia is not correct, not correct, not correct, and wrong, wrong, wrong.....

And an illustrative reason why I don’t go to finge web sites......

Thanks anyway buddy.... nice try, but you make it easy... LOLOLOLOLOL

By the way Vittal didn’t coin the phrase NBC.....he just refined the definition......you know the one used by the Founders when they set out the requirements for President....

The old Romans coined NBC......

Had nothing to do with Blackstone’s, or his definition of a Natural Born Subject.


423 posted on 04/20/2010 9:58:03 PM PDT by Forty-Niner ((.))
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To: Mr Rogers

Thomas Jefferson inaugurated The Study of the Law of Nature and of Nations” at Williams and Mary College in 1779. The text, from 1779 until 1841 was Vattel’s Law Of Nations. Among Jefferson’s students was future chief justice John Marshall who cited in his concurring decision in The Venus, 12 U.S. 253 at paragraph 289, Vattel’s Law of Nations and restated the definition of natural born citizen, “born in the country of citizen parents.”

I can provide a ton of other citations about the Use of Vittals Law of Nations AKA Law of Nature.....in various USSC decisions....note that in The Venus, John Marshall echoed Vittals Law of Nations.. 212. Citizens and Natives.

Blackstones....humph......


426 posted on 04/20/2010 10:19:29 PM PDT by Forty-Niner ((.))
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