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To: alecqss
I believe these announcements were automatic upon obtaining a short-form certificate. And for quite some time short-form was available in Hawaii simply for asking.

Siiigh.

The Short Form (AKA Certification of Live Birth, in Hawaii) is a mere abstract, generated when one is requested. It's not something that is "issued" and kept on file. The Long Form, aka Certificate of Live Birth (in Hawaii).

However there are more ways to get a "long form" than being born in a hospital in Hawaii. For a "home birth", the same long form is used, but instead of a doctor's signature, you'd have a "witness", and that's all it really takes. You take the form to the Vital Statistics office, they file it, and a birth announcement appears in the paper. You can also file for a "delayed certificate" if it's been over a year since the child was born. A totatly separate certificate, The Certification of Hawaiian Birth, once existed. It would generate the same "short form" as a legitimate, or fraudulently filed, Long Form birth Certificate. Also if the parents have been resident in Hawaii for some period, one year IIRC, they could file for a regular certificate even though the child was not born in Hawaii.

All "orignal birth records" will produce the same "abstract"/CoLB/Short Form. Both the "home birth" and the "parents resident in Hawaii" are or were (they've tightened up on both) ripe for fraud.

But in the end, it doesn't matter where he was born. He father was not then, or ever, a US Citizen, and that means he cannot be a Natural Born Citizen.

242 posted on 04/20/2010 3:43:34 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

“But in the end, it doesn’t matter where he was born. He father was not then, or ever, a US Citizen, and that means he cannot be a Natural Born Citizen.”

I was brushing up on my American history on April 19, and I read something I had never noticed before. Apparently the Founders knew exactly what Natural Born meant.

“Maryland’s legislature honored him by making Lafayette and his male heirs “natural born Citizens” of the state, which made him a natural born citizen of the United States after ratification of the new national Constitution.[65] Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Virginia also granted him honorary citizenship.[66][67][68]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_du_Motier,_marquis_de_Lafayette

They were quite aware of the difference of Natural Born and Honorary Citizen.

I don’t pretend to be a scholar nor a historian, but apparently at the birth of our nation, Natural Born was the highest honor that could be bestowed, meaning Marquis de La Fayette, and his sons, were true American and could run for the highest office of the land, if he so chose.


274 posted on 04/20/2010 4:17:29 PM PDT by ScreamingFist
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