Some who have worked with and around them would agree that they see us much as we do our pets or other animals.
I now have 0.0000000% doubt that they met with at least Ike.
The research on that issue is quite impressive and conclusive. It would stand up in court quite well.
A lot of the evil nonsense from the ruling globalist elite arises out of their contacts with such.
The puzzle is that with multiple assertions by high level whistle-blowers that the critters
LIE, LIE, LIE chronically
the elites STILL BELIEVE THEM about ancient history and about the future and the condition of the planet according to the critters.
Puzzling.
Interesting times, for sure.
I consider this program yet another in the inculteration project begun at least with the original
THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL . . .
prepping the masses for their more overt involvement in the satanic global END TIMES government.
Millions of folks already KNOW emphatically of their existence.
Very strong evidence indicates that more than 3 million folks have been abducted. I don’t recall if that’s from the USA alone or world wide. I think it’s from the USA alone. Is that right, Las Vegas Dave?
I don’t recall the estimates, but you may be correct.
The part I found interesting (other than the extra terrestrials) was where, during WWII we built airstrips on islands inhabited by natives who had never seen modern anything, much less airplanes.
Because people from those planes gave them food and trinkets, they saw them as gods from the skies and built replicas of the airplanes hoping to please those gods and have them bring more goodies.
Our ancient ancestors, IMO, would of done the same.
According to ancient alien theorists, extraterrestrials with superior knowledge of science and engineering landed on Earth thousands of years ago, sharing their expertise with early civilizations and forever changing the course of human history. But how did this concept develop, and is there any evidence to support it?
There is evidence of this, from the authoritative, inerrant and infallible Word of God -- on the matter, as it pertains to the world-wide flood that transpired because of this "alien" interaction with human beings, a "judgement from God" which was also for the purpose of "saving the human race" -- as the "aliens" were on the verge of destroying all human beings, at that point.
I posted the following in regards to these "aliens" (and I use that word in quotes because we know they weren't "aliens" as in the sense of an being from some civilization in space that evolved far beyond us and then came here on exploration, or "whatever" and interacted with the "beings" from this planet).
No, these so-called "aliens" were none other than the created beings that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob made, who rebelled against God (our Creator God of the Bible, who made all things in the universe, including the universe and all things which exist) -- and interacted with human beings, creating "hybrids" -- a great sin that God judged by destroying all human life (including all the hybrids) except for 8 individuals in the world, who then went on to repopulate the entire globe to the point of the numbers of humans we have on the planet now.
Here is my post from another FReeper thread, Post #93 ...
I was half-asleep when I read that and posted back. I hate to tell you that I sometime even check FRee Republic when I'm in bed... LOL ... [I can do it on the iPhone and post that way, too...]
So, I didn't really get too much information for you.
But, let me tell you what this is all about. These particular pictures are not the "main story" here. The main story is in Genesis Chapter 6, and also involves why the world-wide flood came about, that is told to us in Genesis.
If anyone is to go "researching" it actually should be on the "main story line" here and not so much the pictures.
So, I'm going to gather up some materials that speak to that issue and post them here.
Some people may think that we're dealing with very little information here... so "slim pickings" so to speak. But, we know a lot of things from the Bible from just a few verses, on different subjects. And what we learn from the Bible and some "key" to understanding -- can, very many times -- hinge on just one word and understanding that one word in the original language, as it was originally intended and as it was given to us.
Genesis Chapter 6 1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. 3 And the Lord said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." 4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. 5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 So the Lord said, "I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them." 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord. 9 This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God. 10 And Noah begot three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. 11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth. 13 And God said to Noah, "The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
In chapter 5, we just had a rundown of all the generations from Adam to Noah, so we could see his "genealogy"...
Verse 9 is sort of a wrap-up from the previous Chapter 5, when it says ...
This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God.
Noah was a just man (and that's "just" in the same way that we are "justified" in the Lord, today). AND.., in addition, Noah's "genealogy" was "perfect" -- or, in other words (and in the context of how it's to be understood) -- Noah's genealogy was "all human" and not "half-human and half-non-human".
In verses 1 and 2, we see it says ...
Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
There's your context for understanding what was going on here, and it also leads one to the realization of why the world-wide flood was required, too.
We see in verse 4 ...
There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.That wording, "sons of God" always means angels in the Hebrew Old Testament. It's never used of anything else, except one -- and that's Adam. And you'll see why. The angels were all creations, directly, of God, and thus they were all "sons of God". Now, Adam was also, an original creation of God, so that made Adam a "son of God" -- which he is referred to, also. Outside of just the instance of Adam, only the angels are "sons of God" -- so that's how it's understood. In addition, if we go to the New Testament (different language, though), we've got the terms "sons of God" there, too. It's a completely different context here, though, and you'll understand why and how that's "perfect" too -- in its use in the New Testament.
At the resurrection, we are "sons of God" (both men and women, of course). And how perfect is that, because we are "each one" -- "a new creation in Christ". We are directly made from the hand of God, at that point and are not of our father, here on earth, a "son of Adam"...Luke 20:34-36 34 And Jesus answered and said to them, "The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
Note that for Jesus, the Messiah of Israel ...
But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation.
- Hebrews 9:11
He is not "of this creation" (as "Son of Man", he is a new creation of God). He is not part of that creation of all that was and is, from that "creation" that we see in the beginning of Genesis.
And..., we shall be like Him...
Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
- 1 John 3:2
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.
- Galatians 6:15
We don't regard Jesus, the Messiah of Israel as someone "according to the flesh" (previously a "human being"), but as a "new creation of God" and "not of this creation". And likewise, the same of us, who are "in Christ".
Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
- 2 Corinthians 5:16-17
I did the "rundown" of this in the New Testament to show that it also fits into what the Old Testament says about "sons of God". And so, in the New Testament, we're told about those who are also to be like Jesus, the Messiah of Israel, a "new creation" (a direct creation of God), just like the angels and Adam, in the Old Testament -- and we all will be "like the angels" in that regard -- and also we will not be "of this creation" just like Jesus is not of this creation. That puts us, in a higher order and status, over the angels, as we've been told.
Mankind initially was lower than the angels ..
What is man that You are mindful of him, And the son of man that You visit him? For You have made him a little lower than the angels, And You have crowned him with glory and honor.
- Psalm 8:4-5
But, then as a "new creation in Christ" we are of a higher order ...
Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Do you not know that we shall judge angels?
- 1 Corinthians 6:2-3a
All that to come back to the "sons of God" in Genesis 6, and those particular angels who took women on earth for wives and had children by them, and that these were the "hybrids"....
Genesis 6:11-13 11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth. 13 And God said to Noah, "The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
We see the destruction of mankind (except for Noah and his family, whose genealogy has been traced from Adam to his time) is going to happen, and this is told in context of the angelic corruption of mankind with hybrids. And God says the following, which I think indicates something in particular....
And God said to Noah, "The end of all flesh has come before Me ...
It appears to me that God is saying that He sees the end of mankind, as a result of this corruption by the angels, into the genealogy (and gene pool) of mankind. And thus, this would be a blow against God and His prophetic word in that a savior would come from mankind, to save human beings who are now under the judgment of God (a death sentence and separated from God).
God is not saying "I see this and I'm going to end all flesh because of this." No, He's saying "what He sees" and God sees that if He allows this to continue -- that He sees the end of all flesh coming before Him. He sees that as the result of this angelic corruption of the human race.
In this judgment of the world-wide flood, destroying all except for 8 people -- God has saved mankind, not that He was trying to destroy mankind. And in the process of saving mankind, God will still keep His promise of the ultimate salvation that He says will come (which we know now to be, the Messiah of Israel).
Satan, through those angels who sinned and had relations with the women of the human race, had hoped to corrupt the human race to the point where God's promise of the coming One who would be the salvation of mankind -- could not happen.
Satan, as always, is the opposer of God and Satan wants to thwart God at every turn. So, the worldwide flood, which seems so drastic to us -- and it certainly does seem drastic to kill off all of mankind except for 8 people -- was exactly what was necessary so that God "would not see the end of all flesh coming before Him..."
As always, God seeks to save mankind and Satan seeks to destroy mankind.
We can see here what is said in the New Testament about this ...
2 Peter 2:4-9 4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; 7 and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked 8 (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)-- 9 then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment,
More specifically ...
... God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly ...
Jude 1:6-7 6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
We can see that this sin was so severe, that the angels who committed it were consigned permanently to being imprisoned and not allowed free (as the other evil angels are allowed, presently).
You can see that these are the angels of Genesis 6, as they are compared to thos of Sodom and Gomorrah, and "going after strange flesh" -- of which the Bible calls it something of a "similar manner" to those angels of Genesis 6.
And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day ...
AND SO..., this is the backdrop to what I'll post here, in the next few posts, from others who have written articles on it. And it's the backdrop to those pictures that were presented.
The pictures aren't the "real story" -- the real story is Genesis 6, the angels who left their abode and cohabited with women, and that it required a worldwide flood to prevent the total and complete destruction of the human race, as a result of that.
It was Post #35 in this thread ...
You were saying ...
Here is what I am trying to do. Five years ago my brother and I were taking about how churches drive away intellects and scientists who are in the “born again” category. Since that day and after being a field historian for years in the US Army, I began to see Genesis from more of a historical value beyond that of what people are saying in church.
Well, I can see what you're doing in your view of things, but I would venture to say that it's the opposite of what you're trying to say to me right here. I'll explain that with the next part of what you said.
We are talking about the same major flood. However, churches today now interpret a world flood that of today’s world.
When you say "we are talking about the same major flood ..." -- well, that's where it's really apparent that you're wrong on the matter. It would clearly appear to me that we're not talking about the same major flood. But, I'll hold on that to clarify what I just said up above, first.
When I said that it's the opposite of what you're saying, I say that to mean while you're saying that today the "church" (at least some people in the church) -- "churches today now interpret a world flood that of today's world," -- instead it's actually -- "today's secular mentality interprets what the Bible says in today's 'worldview'."
In todays "worldview" with a secular mentality, this sort of thing is considered and viewed as a limited and/or local type of flood, albeit -- it could be a very large one on a scale not seen today. It's still considered limited and local. And it's not considered possible (again in todays secular "worldview" and "thinking") that it's not possible to have a "world-wide flood" -- so since it's seen (in that type of thinking) that it's not possible to have a world-wide flood -- we must reinterpret what is clearly said in the Bible to mean what "we know is the situation" instead of some "limited understanding" that ancient people had and "obviously" did not understand what was going on, fully.
It's not the "churches" who have the "problem" as I see it -- it's the people who have this secular worldview outlook -- who are the problem, as it's them who cannot accept what is clearly stated. Thus, they are the ones who are engaged in "reinterpreting things" according to today's way of understanding things, you see... :-)
And hence -- that's why we see this statement ... "I interpret it in the valley that Noah and his family lived."
That pretty much makes the "case" that I'm saying is the "real problem" here... you see...
That said, Noah’s world flood. Here is a man who lives for centuries, educated in boat structure sees a need for an Ark. The world Flood you believe in is a Missoula Flood in my evidence.
The only problem with that, is while I see many floods happening over the period of mankind's existence (after the flood, because of the changed climatic conditions) -- I don't see these local and/or regional floods as what the Bible is talking about. The details don't match up.
Noah’s world flood is that of his world. I take the literal in the time frame of literal 10,000 years ago. They didn’t know the world to be round.
This is the final paragraph of what you said up above, and I'll "take off" from here and go into it a bit more about that world-wide flood.
First, I'll start with this particular comment... "They didn’t know the world to be round."
This part, here -- shows a misunderstanding of the Bible, right off the bat. And it's usually "right here" (on this type of thing) that all the misunderstandings about the Bible and all the errors of the secular worldview, regarding the Bible, come into play.
When you say that "they didn't know ..." -- you've just started off on the wrong foot, with the Bible before even getting into the "content" of what was said.
You see... it was "God, Himself," who was the one who "said", and thus it was God, Himself, who was the one who would know -- or not know. Now, when we look at that, and we consider that just a bit before that, God just got through making the entire space-time existence of anything and everything -- you wouldn't expect me to believe that this same God, who made the earth itself -- doesn't know that it's round... do you? :-)
Of course -- I think it's clear that the God who is capable of getting a human being reconstructed back in one piece from having the dead body's pieces scattered into a million pieces and parts, scattered all over the ground and oceans and air, and who resurrects it back into a living being again, from all those inanimate and disassociated pieces -- that same God would know that the earth was round. It makes sense, to me. Perhaps it doesn't make sense to the "secular mind"... :-)
But, going on from there, let's say that this is a local/regional flood in a valley that Noah lives in, and God is wanting to spare 8 people from this flood. Well, considering that God told Noah about this 120 years before it happened -- if God was "smart" -- he would just have those eight people "walk out of the valley, and into the next valley to avoid that flood, doncha know ... LOL ...
I mean, I think one could "walk around the globe" about 10 times over again in 120 years... :-)
Then there's the part about the animals and putting them aboard the boat. Again, if you've got a bunch of animals that are unique to that valley, you just have them walk out of the valley, into the next valley and those animals are okay.
Of course, I'm only talking about animals that would be unique to that particular valley, because if they were common animals to several valleys, it wouldn't matter if those animals died there, because they would still exist in the next valley over and the next and the next.
And continuing..., it is also obvious that God intended to kill everyone except for those 8 people (not talking about reasons here, except that God intended to do that).
Now..., how was God going to keep those other people "in the valley" for the next 120 years, so He could make sure He killed them all, except for those particular 8 people that He chose to live and survive that flood? I mean, was God going to have a fence built around the valley for the next 120 years, so that no one could move or migrate or marry into a clan in the next valley and thus "survive" the flood in that valley?
Anyway, the more you go into the "local/regional flood" rationalization (out of "today's mentality" that is "read back into the text") -- the more stupid the whole thing becomes... to the point where the whole thing becomes utterly ridiculous to even contemplate at all.
BUT, when you get into the reason for the flood, and as to why such a drastic step was taken by God to have a world-wide flood in which every last single human being that existed in the entire globe would be killed (and definitely killed as the "purpose" and as the "intended aim of God") -- then that reason makes it clear why a world-wide flood was absolutely necessary and that a local and regional flood would be a "disaster" from the "standpoint of that reason".
The reason has been discussed in many places, over many years and by many people, so it's nothing new, but it may be new to some people who read it for the first time that they've come across it. It's not new to Christianity, since it's been mentioned since the early centuries of Christianity -- definitely so. And it's not new to the Jews, who were aware of the reason, too... from before the time of Christianity. So, don't think I'm bringing something "new" into this picture here -- it's just that a certain number of people won't be familiar with it
The reason why God had to wipe out the entire human race, during that time, with the world-wide flood, was because of the angelic intrusion of angels into the human genome, during the time leading up to Noah's day. That's mentioned in Genesis 6.
I talk about it, most recently in this thread ... at Post #93 and Post #98 ... and there are other threads and other posts on it, but this much shows anyone (who is interested) what it's about.
The destruction of the human genome, by angelic interference, was absolutely intolerable to God, and He saw it coming (by what we see in Genesis 6) and God made sure to destroy all except those chosen to carry on the human race -- basically three male/female pairings for the entire human race, although 8 individuals were carried through the world-wide flood to restart the entire human race, plus the preservation of certain animals to continue on afterwards, after all other land animals had been destroyed and obliterated.
So, once one sees the reason why the destruction of the entire human race was necessary by what God saw coming down the road, very shortly, explains why that wide and vast of a destruction was necessary.
This sort of thing might seem to be overwhelming to human beings, but to God, who created all of the space-time existence (even the creation of the "space" itself in which matter exists, along with the parameter of "time" itself existing) -- this was a mere "blip" on the screen to Him. And He accomplished it and saved 8 people through that destruction (along with those particular animals) and allowed the human race, over the entire globe, to be reconstructed from those three male/female pairs we are told about.
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