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Pit Bull Owners Defend Breed After Dog Fighting Bust
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Posted on 04/17/2010 3:57:54 PM PDT by Chet 99

Updated: April 14, 2010

JACKSONVILLE, N.C. - Tuesday’s dog fighting bust is just the latest incident surrounding the controversial breed.

These pit bulls were trained to fight and now face an uncertain future.

People who own the breed say that’s not their nature.

One group is determined to prove that image isn’t everything. A whiff and a sniff—just like any other dog.

Only these are the much maligned pit bull.

Their owners say they are just like any other dog.

“They’re full of life, full of fun,” said Lee Nolan, founder of The Guardians Pit Bull Owners Club. “They’re hilarious to watch.“ Lee Nolan started The Guardians Pit Bull Owners Club two years ago, in part to change the way people think about the breed.

The problem is dog fighting busts like the one in Duplin County and a few months ago in Greene County involved pit bulls—dogs that were trained to attack.

“It hurts a lot because these dogs are wonderful animals and I hate to see anything happen to them,“ said Samantha Tye, a pit bull owner and trainer. It’s not clear what will happen to the pit bulls recovered in the Duplin County dog fighting bust. These fans of the breed say they deserve a second chance. “They’re naturally born to be a protector,” Nolan said. “So, you’re brainwashing the dog to be a fighter, to fight for its life all the time. So, it’s always on that fight or flight, do or die, kill or be killed mode.“ Dog trainers like Samantha Tye say pit bulls trained to fight can change their behavior.

However, it takes time.

Up to a year and a half and there are no guarantees.

“I’ve had dogs that have been fighting dogs that are terrified of everything, just sit in a corner and cower because they’re just, they were destroyed,“ Tye said.

In the world of pit bulls, there are lovers and there are fighters.

While technically the same species, they can be a breed apart.


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To: oldenuff2no

I use a choke chain, so I’m not opposed to their use, but even I, a lowly non-professional dog trainer with no stock dog, bomb dog, dope dog, or attack dog training experience, know what a prong collar is, and why and how they are used.

Even *I*, a truly horrible, 2 year ex-Marine, know the breed and history of the War Dogs of Guam.

Even *I* know that not every dog needs a 300 word command vocabulary in order to be useful.

Even *I* know that canine instinct craves guidance and control.

My question is, what kind of dog trainer are you that all of this seems to escape you?


81 posted on 04/18/2010 7:23:39 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs ( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
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To: Salamander

Military Occupational (Operational?) Specialty, I think.

Mine was “Computer Geek”.


82 posted on 04/18/2010 7:24:59 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs ( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
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To: Salamander
You just don’t give a senior citizen a Bouvier.

I may be wrong, but that sure looks like Ronald Reagan, and Margaret Thatcher at the White House. Don't remember him having a Bouvier, though.

83 posted on 04/18/2010 7:32:18 PM PDT by mupcat
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To: LongElegantLegs; Salamander

Military Occupational Specialty.

I was a 95B (before they changed the nomenclature) Military Police

Mrs shibumi was a 62F Combat Engineer & 05K Military Intelligence (she flew intel recon missions over East Berlin during the Cold War)


84 posted on 04/18/2010 7:33:29 PM PDT by shibumi (FReepMail me to get on the "Hippo Attack" ping list!)
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To: shibumi

4066; they ‘phased out’ that MOS shortly after my discharge. I like to think I ruined it for everyone. :-)


85 posted on 04/18/2010 7:39:02 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs ( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
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To: shibumi
Mrs shibumi was a 62F Combat Engineer & 05K Military Intelligence (she flew intel recon missions over East Berlin during the Cold War)

THAT is extremely cool, by the way.

86 posted on 04/18/2010 7:40:21 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs ( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
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To: LongElegantLegs

She’s way more cool than me, in several ways.


87 posted on 04/18/2010 7:44:55 PM PDT by shibumi (FReepMail me to get on the "Hippo Attack" ping list!)
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To: shibumi

The true foundation of an enduring relationship!


88 posted on 04/18/2010 7:54:12 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs ( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
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To: mupcat

Yup, it’s Ronnie and his “gift” Bouvier des Flandres, “Lucky”.

It was ginormous pup who dragged him and Nancy around like kites for several months until they sent it off to his CA ranch.

They then got the little dog...a Cavalier, I think.


89 posted on 04/18/2010 8:48:28 PM PDT by Salamander (Hold onto to all your fears 'cuz when I get outta here....vengeance is mine, mine, mine!)
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To: shibumi

Thank yew.


90 posted on 04/18/2010 9:26:48 PM PDT by Salamander (Hold onto to all your fears 'cuz when I get outta here....vengeance is mine, mine, mine!)
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To: Salamander

No! No, really no!

It is I who am forever in your debt.


91 posted on 04/18/2010 9:32:20 PM PDT by shibumi (FReepMail me to get on the "Hippo Attack" ping list!)
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To: shibumi

Wow.

There’s a pandemic of smartassitis tonight, isn’t there?

:-P


92 posted on 04/18/2010 9:42:42 PM PDT by Salamander (Hold onto to all your fears 'cuz when I get outta here....vengeance is mine, mine, mine!)
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To: LongElegantLegs
None of it escapes me, I've graduated that level and am a few books ahead of you.
If you need more than a choke chain then you are doing something wrong or working with the wrong dog.
Can you imagine a bomb dog jerking on a handler like a pit bull does. There would be a big boom and no more handler. There is a problem here. When people see what a good dog, a well trained dog can do without physical restraint and they compare that to your every day pit bull they can't keep the discussion on or about the dogs anymore. The discussion instantly becomes one of personal attack because their dogs will never stack up well against the real thing.
War dogs in the pacific were of many breeds. Some were pits that were trained to pull on the end of a leash and bite what was in front of them. There was no verbal control to these dogs to disengage them the handler had to snake up the leash and choke them off. This was the initial model of the military sentry dog. The military fazed all of that type of dog completely out of their inventory many decades ago because they were not controllable. They were replaced by dogs that had german shepherd characteristics, were at least 23" at the shoulder and weighed at least 60#. These new fully verbally controlled dogs were designated as "Patrol dogs".
93 posted on 04/18/2010 9:51:06 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Proud vet)
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To: Salamander

Why, no!

My posting to you is only of the utmost sincerity!

(assumes groveling submissive posture in the presence of the Canine She-Goddess)


94 posted on 04/18/2010 10:05:09 PM PDT by shibumi (FReepMail me to get on the "Hippo Attack" ping list!)
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To: oldenuff2no

A prong collar is not ‘more than’ a choke chain; it’s designed to work more efficiently with gentler stimulation. If you try to choke a dog with a prong collar, it comes apart; the links were not made to hold under extreme stress because they work so well with a light touch.

I’m hesitant to bring my personal dog(trained with a choke chain) into this, as there is no way for me to prove my claims, but I assure you that he does not pull. He walks at my side with a loose leash past cats, dogs, people, food vendors, delicious bits of rabbit poo...He’s dropped squirrels and possums that were seconds from death at a single command; he’s not an attack dog, and I don’t bother teaching him tricks, but he is extremely well behaved. If you can take what I say at face value, please explain to me how I, a rank amateur, can achieve these results with a breed you deem un-trainable?


95 posted on 04/18/2010 10:42:54 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs ( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
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To: JoeProBono

ROFL!!!

He was a young’un, not a senior citizen.


96 posted on 04/18/2010 10:47:08 PM PDT by Darnright (There can never be a complete confidence in a power which is excessive. - Tacitus)
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To: LongElegantLegs

Poor carpenters are always cussing out their hammers.


97 posted on 04/18/2010 10:53:24 PM PDT by shibumi (FReepMail me to get on the "Hippo Attack" ping list!)
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To: Salamander
And even Rex the Cavalier dragged the Reagans along behind him :^)


98 posted on 04/18/2010 10:57:31 PM PDT by Darnright (There can never be a complete confidence in a power which is excessive. - Tacitus)
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To: LongElegantLegs

*Magick*!


99 posted on 04/19/2010 3:02:55 AM PDT by Salamander (Hold onto to all your fears 'cuz when I get outta here....vengeance is mine, mine, mine!)
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To: Salamander

I KNEW it! All those ‘Buffy’ reruns have given me special powers!


100 posted on 04/19/2010 7:55:17 AM PDT by LongElegantLegs ( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
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